From owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Wed Nov 21 22:57:54 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: gabucino@localhost Delivery-date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 22:57:54 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=root) by woodstock.localdomain with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 166fNR-00086p-00 for gabucino@localhost; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 22:57:54 +0100 Received: from mplayerhq.hu [192.190.173.45] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.9.4) for gabucino@localhost (single-drop); Wed, 21 Nov 2001 22:57:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.useic.ru (IDENT:root@[212.16.19.131]) by mplayerhq.banki.hu (8.12.0/8.12.0.Beta10/Debian 8.12.0.Beta10) with ESMTP id fALLwkic019203 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 22:58:47 +0100 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) id DAA14436 for list_warpvision-list; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 03:44:45 +0300 X-Authentication-Warning: mail.useic.ru: majordomo set sender to owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru using -f Received: from vega.digitel2002.hu (vega.digitel2002.hu [213.163.0.181]) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA14433 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 03:44:27 +0300 Received: by vega.digitel2002.hu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 60AA317F35; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 22:40:28 +0100 (CET) To: list_warpvision@list.os2.ru Subject: Hmmm?! Message-Id: <20011121214028.60AA317F35@vega.digitel2002.hu> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 22:40:28 +0100 (CET) From: lgb@vega.digitel2002.hu (Gabor Lenart) Sender: owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Precedence: bulk Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1036 Lines: 27 Hi! i've just checked out your player. And it's VERY similar to mplayer at least according to messages your player prints. BTW, I'm one of mplayer developers. However I didn't find any point where you mentioned mplayer. And this is a bad thing (TM). Check the dox of mplayer about ability of usage mplayer source ... If I was wrong and it's NOT based on mplayer at all, please forgive me. - Gabor Lenart -- --[ GАbor LИnАrt ]---[ Vivendi Telecom Hungary ]--[ lgb@supervisor.hu ]-- U have 8 bit comp or chip of them and it's unused or to be sold? Call me! -------[ +36 30 2270823 ]------> LGB <-----[ Linux/UNIX/8bit 4ever ]----- ----------------------------------------------- WarpVision project mailing list http://OS2.Ru/projects/video/warpvision.phtml.en ----------------------------------------------- To post a message or reply, send it to: list_warpvision@list.os2.ru To unsubscribe from this list, send the following message ................................. to: majordomo@list.os2.ru body: unsubscribe list_warpvision From owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Wed Nov 21 23:16:13 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: gabucino@localhost Delivery-date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 23:16:13 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=root) by woodstock.localdomain with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 166ffB-00087V-00 for gabucino@localhost; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 23:16:13 +0100 Received: from mplayerhq.hu [192.190.173.45] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.9.4) for gabucino@localhost (single-drop); Wed, 21 Nov 2001 23:16:13 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.useic.ru (IDENT:root@[212.16.19.131]) by mplayerhq.banki.hu (8.12.0/8.12.0.Beta10/Debian 8.12.0.Beta10) with ESMTP id fALMH2ic023452 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 23:17:04 +0100 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) id EAA14515 for list_warpvision-list; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 04:02:16 +0300 X-Authentication-Warning: mail.useic.ru: majordomo set sender to owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru using -f Received: from woodstock.localdomain (IDENT:root@dial-public-042.deltav.hu [213.163.1.42]) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA14487 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 04:01:52 +0300 Received: from gabucino by woodstock.localdomain with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 166fRg-00087G-00 for list_warpvision@list.os2.ru; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 23:02:16 +0100 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 23:02:16 +0100 From: Gabucino To: list_warpvision@list.os2.ru Subject: Re: Hmmm?! Message-ID: <20011121230216.A31185@woodstock.localdomain> References: <20011121214028.60AA317F35@vega.digitel2002.hu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20011121214028.60AA317F35@vega.digitel2002.hu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i X-Operating-System: Linux woodstock.localdomain 2.4.9 Sender: owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Precedence: bulk Status: RO Content-Length: 986 Lines: 35 --2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Let's get straight. It's obvious that you stole MPlayer. This really won't be funny for you. --=20 Gabucino --2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7/CRoAq6GhkS0XDcRArSqAKCCenseP/DmUfS0Z6iz8pTEm2QAOQCgtIfW NXz5q+1gNQf2XPp4xioj7sE= =+QjC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g-- ----------------------------------------------- WarpVision project mailing list http://OS2.Ru/projects/video/warpvision.phtml.en ----------------------------------------------- To post a message or reply, send it to: list_warpvision@list.os2.ru To unsubscribe from this list, send the following message ................................. to: majordomo@list.os2.ru body: unsubscribe list_warpvision From owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Wed Nov 21 23:35:58 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: gabucino@localhost Delivery-date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 23:35:58 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=root) by woodstock.localdomain with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 166fyI-00089H-00 for gabucino@localhost; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 23:35:58 +0100 Received: from mplayerhq.hu [192.190.173.45] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.9.4) for gabucino@localhost (single-drop); Wed, 21 Nov 2001 23:35:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.useic.ru (IDENT:root@[212.16.19.131]) by mplayerhq.banki.hu (8.12.0/8.12.0.Beta10/Debian 8.12.0.Beta10) with ESMTP id fALMZxic027410 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 23:36:00 +0100 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) id DAA14473 for list_warpvision-list; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 03:57:26 +0300 X-Authentication-Warning: mail.useic.ru: majordomo set sender to owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru using -f Received: from thot.banki.hu (arpi@thot.banki.hu [192.190.173.38]) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA14470 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 03:57:11 +0300 Received: (from arpi@localhost) by thot.banki.hu (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) id XAA33780 for list_warpvision@list.os2.ru; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 23:51:39 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 23:51:39 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200111212151.XAA33780@thot.banki.hu> From: Arpi To: list_warpvision@list.os2.ru Subject: MPlayer for OS/2 or stolen code or WTF ? In-Reply-To: <200111212119.XAA68626@thot.banki.hu> X-Mailer: GyikSoft Mailer for UNIX v3.5 by Arpi/ESP-team (http://esp-team.scene.hu) Sender: owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Precedence: bulk Status: RO Content-Length: 3539 Lines: 87 Hi. Just seen: http://os2.ru/projects/video/warpvision.phtml.en sample output: --- D:\util\WarpVision>wvision.exe -44100 H:\local\downloads\Hannibal.divx.avi Command line: 'D:\util\WarpVision\wvision.exe' '-44100' 'H:\local\downloads\Hannibal.divx.avi' Video: [DIV3] 352x288 24bpp 25.00 fps 270.8 kbps (33.1 kbyte/s) Video: filefmt:3 fourcc:0x33564944 size:352x288 fps:25.00 ftime:=0.0400 Detected audio codec: [MPEG] drv:1 (MPEG layer-2, layer-3) Initializing audio codec... Audio: sample rate=44100 channels=2 bps=2 sfmt=0x10 ratio: 16000->176400 Detected video codec: [DivX] drv:5 (DivX ;-) (MS MPEG-4 v3)) CPU flags: mmx mmxext 3dnow A: 6.3 V: 5.4 A-V: 0.830 ( 0.033) --- Now, let's see the original, called MPlayer (http://www.mplayerhq.hu) root@arpi:/3d/divx# mplayer MI2-Trailer.avi -vo null -vc ffdivx MPlayer CVS-011121-18:40(C) 2000-2001 Arpad Gereoffy (see DOCS!) CPU vendor name: GenuineIntel max cpuid level: 2 CPU: Intel Celeron 2/Pentium III Coppermine,Geyserville Testing OS support for SSE... yes. Testing OS support for SSE unmasked exceptions... yes. Tests of OS support for SSE passed. CPUflags: Type: 6 MMX: 1 MMX2: 1 3DNow: 0 3DNow2: 0 SSE: 1 SSE2: 0 Reading /root/.mplayer/codecs.conf: 21 audio & 58 video codecs Font /root/.mplayer/font/font.desc loaded successfully! (206 chars) Using Linux's hardware RTC timing (1024Hz) Playing MI2-Trailer.avi Detected AVI file format! MainAVIHeader.dwFlags: (272) HAS_INDEX IS_INTERLEAVED VIDEO: [DIV3] 480x204 24bpp 24.00 fps 604.8 kbps (73.8 kbyte/s) [V] filefmt:3 fourcc:0x33564944 size:480x204 fps:24.00 ftime:=0.0417 Detected audio codec: [mp3] drv:1 (MPEG layer-2, layer-3) mp3lib: Processor ID: 686 mp3lib: Using SSE! optimized decore. AUDIO: srate=44100 chans=2 bps=2 sfmt=0x10 ratio: 12000->176400 AUDIO: srate=44100 chans=2 bps=2 sfmt=0x10 ratio: 12000->176400 Forcing video codec: [ffdivx] drv:5 (FFmpeg DivX ;-) (MS MPEG-4 v3)) Movie-Aspect is undefined - no prescaling applied. VO: [null] 480x204 => 480x204 Planar YV12 AO: [oss] 44100Hz Stereo Signed 16-bit (Little-Endian) audio_setup: sample format: Signed 16-bit (Little-Endian) (requested: Signed 16-bit (Little-Endian)) audio_setup: using 44100 Hz samplerate (requested: 44100) audio_setup: frags: 16/16 (4096 bytes/frag) free: 65536 Start playing... A: 0.5 V: 0.5 A-V: 0.013 ct: 0.030 13/ 13 2% 0% 1.7% 0 0 0% Isn't it a bit too similar? yes, it is. Just wanted to tell you, users, that you are using a _STOLEN_OPENSOURCE_PROJECT_. As it's GPL, and anyway I'm the copyright holder, we are unhappy, as we never heard about this before, and now just seen it on the above page, without mentioning mplayer or the developers, and providing it as binary-only closed source stuff (GPL doens't allow doing that). Also note, that divx codec was stolen from the ffmpeg project (ffmpeg.sourceforge.net), without their permission. Please correct copyrights and license on your homepage and provide the source for download, and please send us patches needed for working on OS/2 (mplayer is a linux/unix program). See you at court :) A'rpi (mplayer project leader) ----------------------------------------------- WarpVision project mailing list http://OS2.Ru/projects/video/warpvision.phtml.en ----------------------------------------------- To post a message or reply, send it to: list_warpvision@list.os2.ru To unsubscribe from this list, send the following message ................................. to: majordomo@list.os2.ru body: unsubscribe list_warpvision From owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Thu Nov 22 18:18:57 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: gabucino@localhost Delivery-date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 18:18:57 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=root) by woodstock.localdomain with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 166xV3-00058U-00 for gabucino@localhost; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 18:18:57 +0100 Received: from mplayerhq.hu [192.190.173.45] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.9.4) for gabucino@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 22 Nov 2001 18:18:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.useic.ru ([212.16.19.131]) by mplayerhq.banki.hu (8.12.0/8.12.0.Beta10/Debian 8.12.0.Beta10) with ESMTP id fAMBRhic018796 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 12:27:55 +0100 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) id PAA15548 for list_warpvision-list; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 15:54:52 +0300 X-Authentication-Warning: mail.useic.ru: majordomo set sender to owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru using -f Received: from adm.sci-nnov.ru (adm.sci-nnov.ru [195.122.226.2]) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA15545 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 15:54:41 +0300 Received: from lelik (mtelecom.nnov.ru [195.122.230.65]) by adm.sci-nnov.ru (8.9.3/Dmiter-4.1-AGK-0.5) with SMTP id MAA47348 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 12:45:17 +0300 (MSK) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" From: Alex Strelnikov Reply-To: lelik@os2.ru To: list_warpvision@list.os2.ru Subject: Re: MPlayer for OS/2 or stolen code or WTF ? Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 12:45:21 +0300 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <200111212151.XAA33780@thot.banki.hu> In-Reply-To: <200111212151.XAA33780@thot.banki.hu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01112212452101.01311@lelik> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Precedence: bulk Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1253 Lines: 30 Actually I ported sources of mplayer and ffmpeg into OS/2 but I've never concealed that and left all "as is". If I "steal" them (as you said) I would change all the output and you would never recognize it. I might be wrong that I didn't ask you and still didn't publish the sources. But please note that my project is not commercial. At the moment it is on deep alpha stage and I won't publish very raw sources. I would like to make it opensource after enough debugging. Anyway I'm very astonished by your reaction. You'd better not to make "big deal" but just to mail me instead. I think you should remove strange accusations from your homepage and apologize to me and my country. I also insist on publishing this letter. I'll publish my sources under GPL license as soon as possible. The matter is settled, isn't it? -- Regards, Alex Strelnikov ----------------------------------------------- WarpVision project mailing list http://OS2.Ru/projects/video/warpvision.phtml.en ----------------------------------------------- To post a message or reply, send it to: list_warpvision@list.os2.ru To unsubscribe from this list, send the following message ................................. to: majordomo@list.os2.ru body: unsubscribe list_warpvision From owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Thu Nov 22 18:20:45 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: gabucino@localhost Delivery-date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 18:20:45 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=root) by woodstock.localdomain with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 166xWn-00058U-00 for gabucino@localhost; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 18:20:45 +0100 Received: from mplayerhq.hu [192.190.173.45] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.9.4) for gabucino@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 22 Nov 2001 18:20:45 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.useic.ru (IDENT:root@[212.16.19.131]) by mplayerhq.banki.hu (8.12.0/8.12.0.Beta10/Debian 8.12.0.Beta10) with ESMTP id fAMDX5ic008922 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 14:33:08 +0100 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) id SAA15925 for list_warpvision-list; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 18:59:01 +0300 X-Authentication-Warning: mail.useic.ru: majordomo set sender to owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru using -f Received: from unn.ac.ru (ns.unn.ac.ru [193.233.136.34]) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA15921 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 18:58:37 +0300 Received: (from relf@localhost) by unn.ac.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA35365; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 15:54:40 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from relf) Message-Id: <200111221254.PAA35365@unn.ac.ru> From: "Max Alekseyev" To: "list_warpvision@list.os2.ru" Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 04:53:07 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: "Max Alekseyev" X-Mailer: PMMail 2.20.2380 for OS/2 Warp 4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: MPlayer Sender: owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Precedence: bulk Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 3967 Lines: 73 -------- Original Message -------- Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 17:21:51 +0500 From: "Andy A. Porro" Subject: MPlayer ----------------- Good day. My name is Andy. I'm from Russia. Of course you can stop reading here, but I think it would be better to read it up to the end. Perhaps you'll find out something new from it. I've read you "news" on your site and was very disappointed. I didn't quite understand what do you mean : stolen ? "No, they didn't contact us." - Is it necessary to contact the author following the GPL licence policy ? Can you point me to that chapter in GPL ? "No, they didn't send patches" - As far as I know it's necessary to send patches only if you modify something. Are you sure the WarpVision author did that in your code ? Perhaps it would be more polite to find out first ? "No, they don't provide source code." - Did you read the GPL licence up to the end ? I hope you did. So you should read this text: ---------------GPL reference------------------------ 3. You may copy and distribute the Program (or a work based on it, under Section 2) in object code or executable form under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above provided that you also do ONE OF THE FOLLOWING: a) Accompany it with the complete corresponding machine-readable source code, which must be distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange; OR, b) Accompany it with a written offer, valid for at least three years, to give any third party, for a charge no more than your cost of physically performing source distribution, a complete machine-readable copy of the corresponding source code, to be distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange; OR, c) Accompany it with the information you received as to the offer to distribute corresponding source code. (This alternative is allowed only for noncommercial distribution and only if you received the program in object code or executable form with such an offer, in accord with Subsection b above.) ----------------------End of GPL reference ------------ As you can see from this reference - the WarpVision author made only one mistake (not a crime) - he didn't provide a "written offer or something similar". You could just point to that his mistake and do not shout at all Russian-speaking people. That is not friendly. I think in any case you had to connect the author first. "Yes, it is illegal." "Yes, they discredit OS/2 community." "Yes, they discredit russian coders." All of those accusations are false due facts. I appeal to you to remove that pengnum, which looks like a ghost from the cold war. Offer yours apologies for that to the whole OS/2 community. And immediately contact the WarpVision author for settlement - who should do what (I think, one side should offer apology, other side arrange the WarpVision with all necessary references in documentation). What for the program name. I suppose (for my 15-years experience as a programmer) your program and WarpVision both have in common only internal parts related to codecs and similarities, the rest is completely different (I think you wouldn't argue that X11 programming and PM programming are rather different ?). So it has right to have it's own name. Don't you ask for all programs which use Windows codecs or other common parts to have the same name MS MediaPlayer ? Good day. In hope of future conflict less cooperation. ------------ Best regards Andrei A. Porodko (AKA Andy A. Porro) Sysadmin ----------------------------------------------- WarpVision project mailing list http://OS2.Ru/projects/video/warpvision.phtml.en ----------------------------------------------- To post a message or reply, send it to: list_warpvision@list.os2.ru To unsubscribe from this list, send the following message ................................. to: majordomo@list.os2.ru body: unsubscribe list_warpvision From owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Thu Nov 22 18:20:58 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: gabucino@localhost Delivery-date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 18:20:58 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=root) by woodstock.localdomain with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 166xX0-00058U-00 for gabucino@localhost; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 18:20:58 +0100 Received: from mplayerhq.hu [192.190.173.45] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.9.4) for gabucino@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 22 Nov 2001 18:20:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.useic.ru (IDENT:root@[212.16.19.131]) by mplayerhq.banki.hu (8.12.0/8.12.0.Beta10/Debian 8.12.0.Beta10) with ESMTP id fAME7Tic014771 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 15:07:30 +0100 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) id SAA15915 for list_warpvision-list; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 18:58:03 +0300 X-Authentication-Warning: mail.useic.ru: majordomo set sender to owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru using -f Received: from unn.ac.ru (ns.unn.ac.ru [193.233.136.34]) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA15911 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 18:57:20 +0300 Received: (from relf@localhost) by unn.ac.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA35347; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 15:53:29 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from relf) Message-Id: <200111221253.PAA35347@unn.ac.ru> From: "Max Alekseyev" To: "list_warpvision@list.os2.ru" Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 04:53:07 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: "Max Alekseyev" X-Mailer: PMMail 2.20.2380 for OS/2 Warp 4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: MPlayer Sender: owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Precedence: bulk Status: RO Content-Length: 3967 Lines: 73 -------- Original Message -------- Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 17:21:51 +0500 From: "Andy A. Porro" Subject: MPlayer ----------------- Good day. My name is Andy. I'm from Russia. Of course you can stop reading here, but I think it would be better to read it up to the end. Perhaps you'll find out something new from it. I've read you "news" on your site and was very disappointed. I didn't quite understand what do you mean : stolen ? "No, they didn't contact us." - Is it necessary to contact the author following the GPL licence policy ? Can you point me to that chapter in GPL ? "No, they didn't send patches" - As far as I know it's necessary to send patches only if you modify something. Are you sure the WarpVision author did that in your code ? Perhaps it would be more polite to find out first ? "No, they don't provide source code." - Did you read the GPL licence up to the end ? I hope you did. So you should read this text: ---------------GPL reference------------------------ 3. You may copy and distribute the Program (or a work based on it, under Section 2) in object code or executable form under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above provided that you also do ONE OF THE FOLLOWING: a) Accompany it with the complete corresponding machine-readable source code, which must be distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange; OR, b) Accompany it with a written offer, valid for at least three years, to give any third party, for a charge no more than your cost of physically performing source distribution, a complete machine-readable copy of the corresponding source code, to be distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange; OR, c) Accompany it with the information you received as to the offer to distribute corresponding source code. (This alternative is allowed only for noncommercial distribution and only if you received the program in object code or executable form with such an offer, in accord with Subsection b above.) ----------------------End of GPL reference ------------ As you can see from this reference - the WarpVision author made only one mistake (not a crime) - he didn't provide a "written offer or something similar". You could just point to that his mistake and do not shout at all Russian-speaking people. That is not friendly. I think in any case you had to connect the author first. "Yes, it is illegal." "Yes, they discredit OS/2 community." "Yes, they discredit russian coders." All of those accusations are false due facts. I appeal to you to remove that pengnum, which looks like a ghost from the cold war. Offer yours apologies for that to the whole OS/2 community. And immediately contact the WarpVision author for settlement - who should do what (I think, one side should offer apology, other side arrange the WarpVision with all necessary references in documentation). What for the program name. I suppose (for my 15-years experience as a programmer) your program and WarpVision both have in common only internal parts related to codecs and similarities, the rest is completely different (I think you wouldn't argue that X11 programming and PM programming are rather different ?). So it has right to have it's own name. Don't you ask for all programs which use Windows codecs or other common parts to have the same name MS MediaPlayer ? Good day. In hope of future conflict less cooperation. ------------ Best regards Andrei A. Porodko (AKA Andy A. Porro) Sysadmin ----------------------------------------------- WarpVision project mailing list http://OS2.Ru/projects/video/warpvision.phtml.en ----------------------------------------------- To post a message or reply, send it to: list_warpvision@list.os2.ru To unsubscribe from this list, send the following message ................................. to: majordomo@list.os2.ru body: unsubscribe list_warpvision From owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Thu Nov 22 18:22:06 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: gabucino@localhost Delivery-date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 18:22:06 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=root) by woodstock.localdomain with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 166xY6-00058U-00 for gabucino@localhost; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 18:22:06 +0100 Received: from mplayerhq.hu [192.190.173.45] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.9.4) for gabucino@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 22 Nov 2001 18:22:06 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.useic.ru (IDENT:root@[212.16.19.131]) by mplayerhq.banki.hu (8.12.0/8.12.0.Beta10/Debian 8.12.0.Beta10) with ESMTP id fAMG44ic002501 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 17:04:06 +0100 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) id VAA16221 for list_warpvision-list; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 21:27:00 +0300 X-Authentication-Warning: mail.useic.ru: majordomo set sender to owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru using -f Received: from thot.banki.hu (arpi@thot.banki.hu [192.190.173.38]) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA16218 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 21:26:54 +0300 Received: (from arpi@localhost) by thot.banki.hu (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) id RAA29190 for list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 17:21:30 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 17:21:30 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200111221521.RAA29190@thot.banki.hu> From: Arpi To: list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Subject: Re: MPlayer In-Reply-To: <200111221254.PAA35365@unn.ac.ru> X-Mailer: GyikSoft Mailer for UNIX v3.5 by Arpi/ESP-team (http://esp-team.scene.hu) Sender: owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Precedence: bulk Status: RO Content-Length: 2180 Lines: 49 Hi, > Good day. > My name is Andy. I'm from Russia. Of course you can stop reading here, but I > think it would be better to read it up to the end. Perhaps you'll find out > something new from it. > I've read you "news" on your site and was very disappointed. > I didn't quite understand what do you mean : stolen ? he distributes our work under his name. > "No, they didn't contact us." - Is it necessary to contact the author > following the GPL licence policy ? Can you point me to that chapter in GPL ? > "No, they didn't send patches" - As far as I know it's necessary to send > patches only if you modify something. Are you sure the WarpVision author did > that in your code ? Perhaps it would be more polite to find out first ? > "No, they don't provide source code." - Did you read the GPL licence up to > the end ? I hope you did. So you should read this text: no, these are not illegal things. the illegal thing is that he removed all copyright messages from the program and doesn't even mention mplayer or ffmpeg or the original authors on the docs, prg or on his homepage. users downloading and using that binary may thing that he wrote it. > What for the program name. I suppose (for my 15-years experience as a > programmer) your program and WarpVision both have in common only internal > parts related to codecs and similarities, the rest is completely different i think that 90% of the code is the same. renaming it is ok, _IF_ he adds reference for the original program. > (I think you wouldn't argue that X11 programming and PM programming are > rather different ?). So it has right to have it's own name. Don't you ask he only changed audio/video out code a bit to fit os/2. A'rpi / Astral & ESP-team -- mailto:arpi@thot.banki.hu http://esp-team.scene.hu ----------------------------------------------- WarpVision project mailing list http://OS2.Ru/projects/video/warpvision.phtml.en ----------------------------------------------- To post a message or reply, send it to: list_warpvision@list.os2.ru To unsubscribe from this list, send the following message ................................. to: majordomo@list.os2.ru body: unsubscribe list_warpvision From owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Thu Nov 22 18:20:18 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: gabucino@localhost Delivery-date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 18:20:18 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=root) by woodstock.localdomain with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 166xWM-00058U-00 for gabucino@localhost; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 18:20:18 +0100 Received: from mplayerhq.hu [192.190.173.45] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.9.4) for gabucino@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 22 Nov 2001 18:20:18 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.useic.ru (IDENT:root@[212.16.19.131]) by mplayerhq.banki.hu (8.12.0/8.12.0.Beta10/Debian 8.12.0.Beta10) with ESMTP id fAMDLcic007073 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 14:21:46 +0100 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) id SAA15804 for list_warpvision-list; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 18:15:48 +0300 X-Authentication-Warning: mail.useic.ru: majordomo set sender to owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru using -f Received: from thot.banki.hu (arpi@thot.banki.hu [192.190.173.38]) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA15801 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 18:15:36 +0300 Received: (from arpi@localhost) by thot.banki.hu (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) id OAA47778 for list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 14:10:01 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 14:10:01 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200111221210.OAA47778@thot.banki.hu> From: Arpi To: list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Subject: Re: Re: MPlayer for OS/2 or stolen code or WTF ? In-Reply-To: <01112212452101.01311@lelik> X-Mailer: GyikSoft Mailer for UNIX v3.5 by Arpi/ESP-team (http://esp-team.scene.hu) Sender: owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Precedence: bulk Status: RO Content-Length: 2466 Lines: 60 Hi, ok, then answer in public too. > Actually I ported sources of mplayer and ffmpeg into OS/2 > but I've never concealed that and left all "as is". left all "as is" ??? let's see. - you renamed the program. it's ok, but you should note somewhere in program (or its docs) and on the homepage that it was called mplayer originally - you removed(!!!) all copyright messages from program's output - you added yourself as copyright keeper... - you steal (or "ported" in your words) our and ffmpeg's GPL opensource code, to use in a binary program. you must make sourcecode downloadable immeiatelly, even if it's raw and ugly. it's GPL rule. - you must display (both homepage, docs and program) the original authors. i think it's very far from "as is". > If I "steal" them (as you said) I would change all the output and you you changed them a bit (CommandLine->Command line etc) but didn't removed debug messages yet. we think you wanted to do it later. > would never recognize it. I might be wrong that I didn't ask you and it's easy to recognize, because the only one opensource divx decoder is in ffmpeg, and it's hard to hide... same stays for mplayer's bugs :) > still didn't publish the sources. But please note that my project is not > commercial. At the moment it is on deep alpha stage and I won't publish > very raw sources. I would like to make it opensource after enough debugging. ok, but it doesn't explain why are all copyright stuff removed silently and program renamed just to avoid recognision. > Anyway I'm very astonished by your reaction. :) > You'd better not to make "big deal" but just to mail me instead. we don't like stolen code. > I think you should remove strange accusations from your homepage > and apologize to me and my country. I think the same about your page. you should fix it ASAP, add the above things. until it's done, we won't change anything, we'll keep the statement about stolen code as in the current form of your project it's *TRUE*. A'rpi / Astral & ESP-team -- mailto:arpi@thot.banki.hu http://esp-team.scene.hu ----------------------------------------------- WarpVision project mailing list http://OS2.Ru/projects/video/warpvision.phtml.en ----------------------------------------------- To post a message or reply, send it to: list_warpvision@list.os2.ru To unsubscribe from this list, send the following message ................................. to: majordomo@list.os2.ru body: unsubscribe list_warpvision From owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Thu Nov 22 18:38:38 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: gabucino@localhost Delivery-date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 18:38:38 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=root) by woodstock.localdomain with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 166xo5-0005Fi-00 for gabucino@localhost; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 18:38:38 +0100 Received: from mplayerhq.hu [192.190.173.45] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.9.4) for gabucino@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 22 Nov 2001 18:38:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.useic.ru ([212.16.19.131]) by mplayerhq.banki.hu (8.12.0/8.12.0.Beta10/Debian 8.12.0.Beta10) with ESMTP id fAMHdHic018536 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 18:39:24 +0100 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) id XAA16386 for list_warpvision-list; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 23:06:30 +0300 X-Authentication-Warning: mail.useic.ru: majordomo set sender to owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru using -f Received: from vsi.gov.lv ([159.148.41.82]) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA16383 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 23:05:57 +0300 Received: (from root@localhost) by vsi.gov.lv (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fAMHL4E00564 for list_warpvision@list.os2.ru.saver.; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:21:04 +0200 Received: from there (shinestar.vsi.gov.lv [192.168.13.73]) by vsi.gov.lv (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id fAMHL2600560 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:21:04 +0200 Message-Id: <200111221721.fAMHL2600560@vsi.gov.lv> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" From: "Daniil V. Kolpakov" Reply-To: "Daniil V. Kolpakov" To: list_warpvision@list.os2.ru Subject: Comments from Project's WWW Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:17:56 +0200 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3] X-MS-Windows-NT: Suxx X-Linux: Rulez X-beer: Enabled MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Precedence: bulk Status: RO Content-Length: 579 Lines: 13 Народ, неужели вы и вправду скомуниздили MPlayer с http://www.mplayerhq.hu/? Устроит ответ "Y" или "N" ;) -- The remote host or network may be down. Please try the request again. ----------------------------------------------- WarpVision project mailing list http://OS2.Ru/projects/video/warpvision.phtml.en ----------------------------------------------- To post a message or reply, send it to: list_warpvision@list.os2.ru To unsubscribe from this list, send the following message ................................. to: majordomo@list.os2.ru body: unsubscribe list_warpvision From owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Thu Nov 22 18:40:59 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: gabucino@localhost Delivery-date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 18:40:59 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=root) by woodstock.localdomain with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 166xqM-0005Fo-00 for gabucino@localhost; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 18:40:58 +0100 Received: from mplayerhq.hu [192.190.173.45] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.9.4) for gabucino@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 22 Nov 2001 18:40:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.useic.ru (IDENT:root@[212.16.19.131]) by mplayerhq.banki.hu (8.12.0/8.12.0.Beta10/Debian 8.12.0.Beta10) with ESMTP id fAMHfXic019058 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 18:41:43 +0100 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) id XAA16419 for list_warpvision-list; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 23:12:55 +0300 X-Authentication-Warning: mail.useic.ru: majordomo set sender to owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru using -f Received: from vsi.gov.lv ([159.148.41.82]) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA16415 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 23:12:51 +0300 Received: (from root@localhost) by vsi.gov.lv (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fAMHQvt00596 for list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru.saver.; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:26:57 +0200 Received: from there (shinestar.vsi.gov.lv [192.168.13.73]) by vsi.gov.lv (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id fAMHQv600592 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:26:57 +0200 Message-Id: <200111221726.fAMHQv600592@vsi.gov.lv> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" From: "Daniil V. Kolpakov" Reply-To: "Daniil V. Kolpakov" To: list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Subject: MPlayer Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:23:51 +0200 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3] X-MS-Windows-NT: Suxx X-Linux: Rulez X-beer: Enabled MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Precedence: bulk Status: RO Content-Length: 565 Lines: 13 Решил подписаться на ваш лист... То, что написано на http://www.mplayerhq.hu/ - это правда? -- The remote host or network may be down. Please try the request again. ----------------------------------------------- WarpVision project mailing list http://OS2.Ru/projects/video/warpvision.phtml.en ----------------------------------------------- To post a message or reply, send it to: list_warpvision@list.os2.ru To unsubscribe from this list, send the following message ................................. to: majordomo@list.os2.ru body: unsubscribe list_warpvision From owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Thu Nov 22 19:31:05 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: gabucino@localhost Delivery-date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:31:05 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=root) by woodstock.localdomain with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 166ycr-0005Hx-00 for gabucino@localhost; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:31:05 +0100 Received: from mplayerhq.hu [192.190.173.45] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.9.4) for gabucino@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:31:05 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.useic.ru (IDENT:root@[212.16.19.131]) by mplayerhq.banki.hu (8.12.0/8.12.0.Beta10/Debian 8.12.0.Beta10) with ESMTP id fAMIWhic029282 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:32:45 +0100 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) id AAA16572 for list_warpvision-list; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 00:21:44 +0300 X-Authentication-Warning: mail.useic.ru: majordomo set sender to owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru using -f Received: from tech.amc.ru ([212.16.19.190]) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA16569 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 00:21:41 +0300 Received: from os2 (h133.net36.bmstu.ru [195.19.36.133]) by tech.amc.ru (Weasel v1.31); 22 Nov 2001 21:20:13 From: "Konstantin Okounkov" To: "Daniil V. Kolpakov" , "Daniil V. Kolpakov" , "list_warpvision@list.os2.ru" Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 21:12:13 +0300 (MST) Reply-To: "Konstantin Okounkov" X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <200111221721.fAMHL2600560@vsi.gov.lv> charset="koi8-r" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Comments from Project's WWW Message-ID: <200111222120.00000KRT@tech.amc.ru> Sender: owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Precedence: bulk Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1513 Lines: 42 Привет! On Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:17:56 +0200, Daniil V. Kolpakov wrote: >Народ, неужели вы и вправду скомуниздили MPlayer с >http://www.mplayerhq.hu/? Устроит ответ "Y" или "N" ;) Никто ничего не комуниздил. Да, использованы библиотеки, да - я не проверил и недосмотрел и в тех.версии не указал все копирайты, а Алекс - мне не напомнил (в смысле мы оба виноваты:). Однако подобных целей и в помине не было, собственно, Alex Gankov еще летом в мэйллисте warpmedia СООБЩАЛ о том, что WarpVision БУДЕТ открыт в opensource. Так что, что называется, "ждите официальных пресс-релизов" в теч. сегодняшнего-завтрашнего дня. Естественно, все права авторов mplayer и ffmpeg будут сохранены. Что касается исходников - то я могу сказать, что они будут распространяться на условиях GPL. Впечатляют две вещи: 1) скорость реакции - я уверен, что среди OS/2-community у OS2.Ru DevTeam есть недоброжелатели, которые в этом поучаствовали. Это грустно. 2) незнание юниксоидов GPL при ссылке на него. 3) их активность - так сказать, спасибо за рекламу :) -- С уважением, Константин Окуньков. http://OS2.Ru http://ivasi.ru ----------------------------------------------- WarpVision project mailing list http://OS2.Ru/projects/video/warpvision.phtml.en ----------------------------------------------- To post a message or reply, send it to: list_warpvision@list.os2.ru To unsubscribe from this list, send the following message ................................. to: majordomo@list.os2.ru body: unsubscribe list_warpvision From relf@unn.ac.ru Thu Nov 22 19:40:17 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: gabucino@localhost Delivery-date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:40:17 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=root) by woodstock.localdomain with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 166yll-0005IU-00 for gabucino@localhost; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:40:17 +0100 Received: from mplayerhq.hu [192.190.173.45] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.9.4) for gabucino@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:40:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from unn.ac.ru (ns.unn.ac.ru [193.233.136.34]) by mplayerhq.banki.hu (8.12.0/8.12.0.Beta10/Debian 8.12.0.Beta10) with ESMTP id fAMIfTic030720 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:41:53 +0100 Received: (from relf@localhost) by unn.ac.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA39036; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 21:34:42 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from relf) Message-Id: <200111221834.VAA39036@unn.ac.ru> From: "Max Alekseyev" To: "list_warpvision@list.os2.ru" , "Gabucino" Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 10:34:30 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: "Max Alekseyev" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.20.2380 for OS/2 Warp 4.5 In-Reply-To: <20011122192615.C20185@woodstock.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: MPlayer Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 253 Lines: 12 On Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:26:15 +0100, Gabucino wrote: >> Offer yours apologies for that to the whole OS/2 community. And >ROTFL. For what, exactly? "They will die a dog's death for sure I swear!" At least for this! Are you nazi guys?! Regards, Max From owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Thu Nov 22 19:42:36 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: gabucino@localhost Delivery-date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:42:36 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=root) by woodstock.localdomain with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 166yo0-0005Ii-00 for gabucino@localhost; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:42:36 +0100 Received: from mplayerhq.hu [192.190.173.45] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.9.4) for gabucino@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:42:36 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.useic.ru (IDENT:root@[212.16.19.131]) by mplayerhq.banki.hu (8.12.0/8.12.0.Beta10/Debian 8.12.0.Beta10) with ESMTP id fAMIh2ic030869 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:43:08 +0100 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) id AAA16599 for list_warpvision-list; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 00:25:44 +0300 X-Authentication-Warning: mail.useic.ru: majordomo set sender to owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru using -f Received: from woodstock.localdomain (IDENT:root@port32-3.pppsubscriber.deltav.hu [213.163.32.3]) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA16596 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 00:25:37 +0300 Received: from gabucino by woodstock.localdomain with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 166yYB-0005Ho-00 for list_warpvision@list.os2.ru; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:26:15 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:26:15 +0100 From: Gabucino To: list_warpvision@list.os2.ru Subject: Re: MPlayer Message-ID: <20011122192615.C20185@woodstock.localdomain> References: <200111221254.PAA35365@unn.ac.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ZoaI/ZTpAVc4A5k6" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200111221254.PAA35365@unn.ac.ru> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i X-Operating-System: Linux woodstock.localdomain 2.4.9 Sender: owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Precedence: bulk Status: RO Content-Length: 2036 Lines: 76 --ZoaI/ZTpAVc4A5k6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: "list_warpvision@list.os2.ru" Hm nice. > I didn't quite understand what do you mean : stolen ? Get a dictionary. > "No, they didn't contact us." - Is it necessary to contact the author =2E..blah... > I think in any case you had to connect the author first. The author can be reached at the arpi@thot.banki.hu mailing address. Nobody contacted him. > "Yes, it is illegal." > All of those accusations are false due facts. Well ask your lawyer. > Offer yours apologies for that to the whole OS/2 community. And ROTFL. For what, exactly? > What for the program name. I suppose (for my 15-years experience as a > programmer) your program and WarpVision both have in common only internal Maybe instead of telling us about your mighty "programming" experiences, you should check MPlayer's source. Or the screenshots. > So it has right to have it's own name. Make the source code available. > Don't you ask > for all programs which use Windows codecs or other common parts to have t= he > same name MS MediaPlayer ? 15 years, huh? > Sysadmin Oh. Linux consultant for sure.. RTFmplayer-users archives --=20 Gabucino --ZoaI/ZTpAVc4A5k6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7/UNHAq6GhkS0XDcRAs+tAJ9KT+QpE9/PTzsu3NKWwO9CWhoP/wCfZuHc egUuCfocz56oTVcUQ4ifytk= =3/NW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ZoaI/ZTpAVc4A5k6-- ----------------------------------------------- WarpVision project mailing list http://OS2.Ru/projects/video/warpvision.phtml.en ----------------------------------------------- To post a message or reply, send it to: list_warpvision@list.os2.ru To unsubscribe from this list, send the following message ................................. to: majordomo@list.os2.ru body: unsubscribe list_warpvision From owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Thu Nov 22 19:42:39 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: gabucino@localhost Delivery-date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:42:39 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=root) by woodstock.localdomain with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 166yo3-0005Ii-00 for gabucino@localhost; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:42:39 +0100 Received: from mplayerhq.hu [192.190.173.45] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.9.4) for gabucino@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:42:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.useic.ru (IDENT:root@[212.16.19.131]) by mplayerhq.banki.hu (8.12.0/8.12.0.Beta10/Debian 8.12.0.Beta10) with ESMTP id fAMIiEic031162 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:44:20 +0100 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) id AAA16629 for list_warpvision-list; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 00:29:54 +0300 X-Authentication-Warning: mail.useic.ru: majordomo set sender to owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru using -f Received: from woodstock.localdomain (IDENT:root@port32-3.pppsubscriber.deltav.hu [213.163.32.3]) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA16624 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 00:29:46 +0300 Received: from gabucino by woodstock.localdomain with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 166ycG-0005Hu-00 for list_warpvision@list.os2.ru; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:30:28 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:30:28 +0100 From: Gabucino To: list_warpvision@list.os2.ru Subject: Re: MPlayer for OS/2 or stolen code or WTF ? Message-ID: <20011122193028.D20185@woodstock.localdomain> References: <200111212151.XAA33780@thot.banki.hu> <01112212452101.01311@lelik> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="xo44VMWPx7vlQ2+2" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <01112212452101.01311@lelik> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i X-Operating-System: Linux woodstock.localdomain 2.4.9 Sender: owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Precedence: bulk Status: RO Content-Length: 1452 Lines: 50 --xo44VMWPx7vlQ2+2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > You'd better not to make "big deal" but just to mail me instead. Would you be so kind to expain me: just why didn't you rather _PORT_ MPlayer to OS/2 ? I'll answer myself: personal glory (fame, money, etc). > I think you should remove strange accusations from your homepage > and apologize to me and my country. :) > I also insist on publishing this letter. Send it to the mplayer-users@mplayerhq.hu mailing list. Also subscribe. > I'll publish my sources under GPL license as soon as possible. > The matter is settled, isn't it? You _must_ be joking. --=20 Gabucino --xo44VMWPx7vlQ2+2 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7/UREAq6GhkS0XDcRAosuAJ9u03IHdmcR2BlRdX8Nu03qX0sxEACgkJuN Yl4GJDMEVsZBULcyzi4BqBA= =WeUh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --xo44VMWPx7vlQ2+2-- ----------------------------------------------- WarpVision project mailing list http://OS2.Ru/projects/video/warpvision.phtml.en ----------------------------------------------- To post a message or reply, send it to: list_warpvision@list.os2.ru To unsubscribe from this list, send the following message ................................. to: majordomo@list.os2.ru body: unsubscribe list_warpvision From owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Thu Nov 22 19:47:53 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: gabucino@localhost Delivery-date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:47:53 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=root) by woodstock.localdomain with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 166yt7-0005JG-00 for gabucino@localhost; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:47:53 +0100 Received: from mplayerhq.hu [192.190.173.45] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.9.4) for gabucino@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:47:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.useic.ru (IDENT:root@[212.16.19.131]) by mplayerhq.banki.hu (8.12.0/8.12.0.Beta10/Debian 8.12.0.Beta10) with ESMTP id fAMInXic031945 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:49:36 +0100 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) id AAA16671 for list_warpvision-list; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 00:36:06 +0300 X-Authentication-Warning: mail.useic.ru: majordomo set sender to owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru using -f Received: from vsi.gov.lv ([159.148.41.82]) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA16666 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 00:35:58 +0300 Received: (from root@localhost) by vsi.gov.lv (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fAMIp9600800 for list_warpvision@list.os2.ru.saver.; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 20:51:09 +0200 Received: from there (shinestar.vsi.gov.lv [192.168.13.73]) by vsi.gov.lv (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id fAMIp9600796 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 20:51:09 +0200 Message-Id: <200111221851.fAMIp9600796@vsi.gov.lv> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" From: "Daniil V. Kolpakov" Reply-To: "Daniil V. Kolpakov" To: "list_warpvision@list.os2.ru" Subject: Re: Comments from Project's WWW Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 20:48:02 +0200 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3] References: <200111222120.00000KRT@tech.amc.ru> In-Reply-To: <200111222120.00000KRT@tech.amc.ru> X-MS-Windows-NT: Suxx X-Linux: Rulez X-beer: Enabled MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Precedence: bulk Status: RO Content-Length: 2625 Lines: 63 On 22 November 2001 20:12, you wrote: > Привет! > > On Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:17:56 +0200, Daniil V. Kolpakov wrote: > >Народ, неужели вы и вправду скомуниздили MPlayer с > >http://www.mplayerhq.hu/? Устроит ответ "Y" или "N" ;) > > Никто ничего не комуниздил. Да, использованы библиотеки, > да - я не проверил и недосмотрел и в тех.версии не указал все > копирайты, а Алекс - мне не напомнил (в смысле мы оба виноваты:). Я не пользую ОС2 (Linux и для игрух Windows 98), так что не знаю, какие копирайты указаны, но вы уж на страничке напишите хотя бы "based on MPlayer". > Однако подобных целей и в помине не было, собственно, Alex Gankov еще > летом в мэйллисте warpmedia СООБЩАЛ о том, что WarpVision БУДЕТ Э... Но пока-то, я понимаю, это не так? Собственно, а чего тормозить-то? Понимаю, может быть кривой код, и всё такое. Ну пофиг! Как говорится - "не нравится - не смотри". :) > открыт в opensource. Так что, что называется, "ждите официальных > пресс-релизов" в теч. сегодняшнего-завтрашнего дня. Естественно, все > права авторов mplayer и ffmpeg будут сохранены. Что касается > исходников - то я могу сказать, что они будут распространяться на > условиях GPL. Давайте, мужики, а то стыдно за русских :) > > Впечатляют две вещи: 1) скорость реакции - я уверен, что среди > OS/2-community у OS2.Ru DevTeam есть недоброжелатели, которые в этом Я-то зашёл, как обычно, на сайт mplayer'а, и тут увидел. > поучаствовали. Это грустно. 2) незнание юниксоидов GPL при ссылке на > него. Понимаешь, там не всё так просто. Да, mplayer - open source, но он выпущен под GPL с одной поправкой - нельзя распространять бинарники. Как у вас с этим? Я, признаться, не в курсе, считается ли ваш плейер бинарным дистрибутивом mplayer или нет (ведь там, наверное, до фига и вашего кода). Далее, некоторые библиотеки там под другими лицензиями (не помню, как там всё точно - посмотри сам, на сайте всё написано). > 3) их активность - так сказать, спасибо за рекламу :) Ну так они разозлились неслабо. На самом деле, если бы на вашем сайте хоть бы слово "mplayer" было написано... Короче, я в лист mplayer'а ваше письмо пошлю, охота всё уладить :) -- The remote host or network may be down. Please try the request again. ----------------------------------------------- WarpVision project mailing list http://OS2.Ru/projects/video/warpvision.phtml.en ----------------------------------------------- To post a message or reply, send it to: list_warpvision@list.os2.ru To unsubscribe from this list, send the following message ................................. to: majordomo@list.os2.ru body: unsubscribe list_warpvision From owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Thu Nov 22 19:47:59 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: gabucino@localhost Delivery-date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:47:59 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=root) by woodstock.localdomain with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 166ytD-0005JG-00 for gabucino@localhost; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:47:59 +0100 Received: from mplayerhq.hu [192.190.173.45] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.9.4) for gabucino@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:47:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.useic.ru (IDENT:root@[212.16.19.131]) by mplayerhq.banki.hu (8.12.0/8.12.0.Beta10/Debian 8.12.0.Beta10) with ESMTP id fAMInZic031952 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:49:38 +0100 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) id AAA16659 for list_warpvision-list; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 00:34:37 +0300 X-Authentication-Warning: mail.useic.ru: majordomo set sender to owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru using -f Received: from woodstock.localdomain (IDENT:root@port32-3.pppsubscriber.deltav.hu [213.163.32.3]) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA16655 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 00:34:26 +0300 Received: from gabucino by woodstock.localdomain with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 166yge-0005IJ-00 for list_warpvision@list.os2.ru; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:35:00 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:35:00 +0100 From: Gabucino To: list_warpvision@list.os2.ru Subject: Re: Comments from Project's WWW Message-ID: <20011122193500.E20185@woodstock.localdomain> References: <200111221721.fAMHL2600560@vsi.gov.lv> <200111222120.00000KRT@tech.amc.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="wLAMOaPNJ0fu1fTG" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200111222120.00000KRT@tech.amc.ru> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i X-Operating-System: Linux woodstock.localdomain 2.4.9 Sender: owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Precedence: bulk Status: RO Content-Length: 1143 Lines: 39 --wLAMOaPNJ0fu1fTG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2,iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > =EE=C9=CB=D4=CF =CE=C9=DE=C5=C7=CF =CE=C5 =CB=CF=CD=D5=CE=C9=DA=C4=C9=CC.= =E4=C1, =C9=D3=D0=CF=CC=D8=DA=CF=D7=C1=CE=D9 =C2=C9=C2=CC=C9=CF=D4=C5=CB= =C9, Nice. I've sent you an email yesterday, seems to didn't have time to reply... --=20 Gabucino --wLAMOaPNJ0fu1fTG Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7/UVUAq6GhkS0XDcRAihLAKCQNDkqkG5oGnZMcPkTDaIJrgU6wACfRIZn L2FOrHpvlMweDZEyTJGdg+w= =FWgv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --wLAMOaPNJ0fu1fTG-- ----------------------------------------------- WarpVision project mailing list http://OS2.Ru/projects/video/warpvision.phtml.en ----------------------------------------------- To post a message or reply, send it to: list_warpvision@list.os2.ru To unsubscribe from this list, send the following message ................................. to: majordomo@list.os2.ru body: unsubscribe list_warpvision From owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Thu Nov 22 19:52:45 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: gabucino@localhost Delivery-date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:52:45 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=root) by woodstock.localdomain with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 166yxp-0005JZ-00 for gabucino@localhost; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:52:45 +0100 Received: from mplayerhq.hu [192.190.173.45] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.9.4) for gabucino@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:52:45 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.useic.ru (IDENT:root@[212.16.19.131]) by mplayerhq.banki.hu (8.12.0/8.12.0.Beta10/Debian 8.12.0.Beta10) with ESMTP id fAMIqsic032608 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:52:57 +0100 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) id AAA16693 for list_warpvision-list; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 00:39:56 +0300 X-Authentication-Warning: mail.useic.ru: majordomo set sender to owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru using -f Received: from unn.ac.ru (ns.unn.ac.ru [193.233.136.34]) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA16688 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 00:39:37 +0300 Received: (from relf@localhost) by unn.ac.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA39036; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 21:34:42 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from relf) Message-Id: <200111221834.VAA39036@unn.ac.ru> From: "Max Alekseyev" To: "list_warpvision@list.os2.ru" , "Gabucino" Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 10:34:30 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: "Max Alekseyev" X-Mailer: PMMail 2.20.2380 for OS/2 Warp 4.5 In-Reply-To: <20011122192615.C20185@woodstock.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: MPlayer Sender: owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Precedence: bulk Status: RO Content-Length: 652 Lines: 22 On Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:26:15 +0100, Gabucino wrote: >> Offer yours apologies for that to the whole OS/2 community. And >ROTFL. For what, exactly? "They will die a dog's death for sure I swear!" At least for this! Are you nazi guys?! Regards, Max ----------------------------------------------- WarpVision project mailing list http://OS2.Ru/projects/video/warpvision.phtml.en ----------------------------------------------- To post a message or reply, send it to: list_warpvision@list.os2.ru To unsubscribe from this list, send the following message ................................. to: majordomo@list.os2.ru body: unsubscribe list_warpvision From owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Thu Nov 22 19:55:10 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: gabucino@localhost Delivery-date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:55:10 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=root) by woodstock.localdomain with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 166z0A-0005Jn-00 for gabucino@localhost; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:55:10 +0100 Received: from mplayerhq.hu [192.190.173.45] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.9.4) for gabucino@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:55:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.useic.ru (IDENT:root@[212.16.19.131]) by mplayerhq.banki.hu (8.12.0/8.12.0.Beta10/Debian 8.12.0.Beta10) with ESMTP id fAMIuBic000827 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:56:14 +0100 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) id AAA16728 for list_warpvision-list; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 00:44:02 +0300 X-Authentication-Warning: mail.useic.ru: majordomo set sender to owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru using -f Received: from woodstock.localdomain (IDENT:root@port32-3.pppsubscriber.deltav.hu [213.163.32.3]) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA16722 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 00:43:49 +0300 Received: from gabucino by woodstock.localdomain with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 166ypk-0005J2-00 for list_warpvision@list.os2.ru; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:44:24 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:44:24 +0100 From: Gabucino To: list_warpvision@list.os2.ru Subject: Re: MPlayer Message-ID: <20011122194424.A20360@woodstock.localdomain> References: <20011122192615.C20185@woodstock.localdomain> <200111221834.VAA39036@unn.ac.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="YZ5djTAD1cGYuMQK" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200111221834.VAA39036@unn.ac.ru> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i X-Operating-System: Linux woodstock.localdomain 2.4.9 Sender: owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Precedence: bulk Status: RO Content-Length: 1219 Lines: 40 --YZ5djTAD1cGYuMQK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >> Offer yours apologies for that to the whole OS/2 community. And > >ROTFL. For what, exactly? > "They will die a dog's death for sure I swear!" > At least for this! Are you nazi guys?! Feeding certain ones to the dogs won't make me nazi. Do you prefer pigs? (it seems you kindly forgot to answer the rest of the mail..) --=20 Gabucino --YZ5djTAD1cGYuMQK Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7/UeIAq6GhkS0XDcRAr+xAJ9qeC3lbvJ8gERZZciwyI6JKP3o8gCbB8w2 d+YrTbthFSnme3DPDGsHmL4= =OztV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --YZ5djTAD1cGYuMQK-- ----------------------------------------------- WarpVision project mailing list http://OS2.Ru/projects/video/warpvision.phtml.en ----------------------------------------------- To post a message or reply, send it to: list_warpvision@list.os2.ru To unsubscribe from this list, send the following message ................................. to: majordomo@list.os2.ru body: unsubscribe list_warpvision From owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Thu Nov 22 20:02:13 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: gabucino@localhost Delivery-date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 20:02:13 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=root) by woodstock.localdomain with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 166z6z-0005b8-00 for gabucino@localhost; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 20:02:13 +0100 Received: from mplayerhq.hu [192.190.173.45] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.9.4) for gabucino@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 22 Nov 2001 20:02:13 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.useic.ru (IDENT:root@[212.16.19.131]) by mplayerhq.banki.hu (8.12.0/8.12.0.Beta10/Debian 8.12.0.Beta10) with ESMTP id fAMJ3Uic002916 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 20:03:32 +0100 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) id AAA16775 for list_warpvision-list; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 00:48:12 +0300 X-Authentication-Warning: mail.useic.ru: majordomo set sender to owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru using -f Received: from adm.sci-nnov.ru (adm.sci-nnov.ru [195.122.226.2]) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA16772 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 00:48:08 +0300 Received: from lelik.mtelecom.nnov.ru (mtelecom.nnov.ru [195.122.230.65]) by adm.sci-nnov.ru (8.9.3/Dmiter-4.1-AGK-0.5) with SMTP id VAA06421 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 21:42:54 +0300 (MSK) Message-Id: <200111221842.VAA06421@adm.sci-nnov.ru> From: "Alex Strelnikov" To: "list_warpvision@list.os2.ru" Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 21:42:51 +0300 (MST) Reply-To: "Alex Strelnikov" X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.1999 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <200111221851.fAMIp9600796@vsi.gov.lv> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Comments from Project's WWW Sender: owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Precedence: bulk Status: RO Content-Length: 3096 Lines: 74 On Thu, 22 Nov 2001 20:48:02 +0200, Daniil V. Kolpakov wrote: Они читают наш мэйллист, не беспокойся... Хотя можешь и написать, если есть желание... И тебя устраивают фразы: "Они умрут как собаки, я клянусь!" Это нормально ? Это в европе так принято общаться? Это не напоминает тебе синдром "ненависти к оккупантам", клятвы, терроризмом вообще-то попахивает... >On 22 November 2001 20:12, you wrote: >> Привет! >> >> On Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:17:56 +0200, Daniil V. Kolpakov wrote: >> >Народ, неужели вы и вправду скомуниздили MPlayer с >> >http://www.mplayerhq.hu/? Устроит ответ "Y" или "N" ;) >> >> Никто ничего не комуниздил. Да, использованы библиотеки, >> да - я не проверил и недосмотрел и в тех.версии не указал все >> копирайты, а Алекс - мне не напомнил (в смысле мы оба виноваты:). > >Я не пользую ОС2 (Linux и для игрух Windows 98), так что не знаю, какие >копирайты указаны, но вы уж на страничке напишите хотя бы "based on >MPlayer". > >> Однако подобных целей и в помине не было, собственно, Alex Gankov еще >> летом в мэйллисте warpmedia СООБЩАЛ о том, что WarpVision БУДЕТ > >Э... Но пока-то, я понимаю, это не так? Собственно, а чего >тормозить-то? Понимаю, может быть кривой код, и вс такое. Ну пофиг! >Как говорится - "не нравится - не смотри". :) > >> открыт в opensource. Так что, что называется, "ждите официальных >> пресс-релизов" в теч. сегодняшнего-завтрашнего дня. Естественно, все >> права авторов mplayer и ffmpeg будут сохранены. Что касается >> исходников - то я могу сказать, что они будут распространяться на >> условиях GPL. > >Давайте, мужики, а то стыдно за русских :) > >> >> Впечатляют две вещи: 1) скорость реакции - я уверен, что среди >> OS/2-community у OS2.Ru DevTeam есть недоброжелатели, которые в этом > >Я-то заш л, как обычно, на сайт mplayer'а, и тут увидел. > >> поучаствовали. Это грустно. 2) незнание юниксоидов GPL при ссылке на >> него. > >Понимаешь, там не вс так просто. Да, mplayer - open source, но он >выпущен под GPL с одной поправкой - нельзя распространять бинарники. >Как у вас с этим? Я, признаться, не в курсе, считается ли ваш плейер >бинарным дистрибутивом mplayer или нет (ведь там, наверное, до фига и >вашего кода). Далее, некоторые библиотеки там под другими лицензиями >(не помню, как там вс точно - посмотри сам, на сайте вс написано). > >> 3) их активность - так сказать, спасибо за рекламу :) > >Ну так они разозлились неслабо. На самом деле, если бы на вашем сайте >хоть бы слово "mplayer" было написано... Короче, я в лист mplayer'а >ваше письмо пошлю, охота вс уладить :) Regards, Alex Strelnikov (IRC #os2russian on EFnet, nick Lelik). Project page http://os2.ru/projects/video/warpvision.phtml.en ----------------------------------------------- WarpVision project mailing list http://OS2.Ru/projects/video/warpvision.phtml.en ----------------------------------------------- To post a message or reply, send it to: list_warpvision@list.os2.ru To unsubscribe from this list, send the following message ................................. to: majordomo@list.os2.ru body: unsubscribe list_warpvision From owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Thu Nov 22 20:04:48 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: gabucino@localhost Delivery-date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 20:04:48 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=root) by woodstock.localdomain with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 166z9U-0005iy-00 for gabucino@localhost; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 20:04:48 +0100 Received: from mplayerhq.hu [192.190.173.45] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.9.4) for gabucino@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 22 Nov 2001 20:04:48 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.useic.ru (IDENT:root@[212.16.19.131]) by mplayerhq.banki.hu (8.12.0/8.12.0.Beta10/Debian 8.12.0.Beta10) with ESMTP id fAMJ5uic003569 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 20:05:58 +0100 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) id AAA16820 for list_warpvision-list; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 00:55:14 +0300 X-Authentication-Warning: mail.useic.ru: majordomo set sender to owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru using -f Received: from unn.ac.ru (ns.unn.ac.ru [193.233.136.34]) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA16816 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 00:54:18 +0300 Received: (from relf@localhost) by unn.ac.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA39163; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 21:50:25 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from relf) Message-Id: <200111221850.VAA39163@unn.ac.ru> From: "Max Alekseyev" To: "list_warpvision@list.os2.ru" Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 10:50:11 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: "Max Alekseyev" X-Mailer: PMMail 2.20.2380 for OS/2 Warp 4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: MPlayer for OS/2 or stolen code or WTF ? Sender: owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Precedence: bulk Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 920 Lines: 30 On Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:30:28 +0100, Gabucino wrote: >> You'd better not to make "big deal" but just to mail me instead. >Would you be so kind to expain me: just why didn't you rather _PORT_ >MPlayer to OS/2 ? What for? There are a lot of original ideas and sources contributed to WarpVision. It's FAR FROM MPlayer. It's TOTALLY ANOTHER player. And using a library from MPlayer doesn't change this. >I'll answer myself: personal glory (fame, money, etc). Don't think that all people are like you. Regards, Max ----------------------------------------------- WarpVision project mailing list http://OS2.Ru/projects/video/warpvision.phtml.en ----------------------------------------------- To post a message or reply, send it to: list_warpvision@list.os2.ru To unsubscribe from this list, send the following message ................................. to: majordomo@list.os2.ru body: unsubscribe list_warpvision From owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Thu Nov 22 20:18:45 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: gabucino@localhost Delivery-date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 20:18:45 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=root) by woodstock.localdomain with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 166zMz-0006FT-00 for gabucino@localhost; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 20:18:45 +0100 Received: from mplayerhq.hu [192.190.173.45] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.9.4) for gabucino@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 22 Nov 2001 20:18:45 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.useic.ru (IDENT:root@[212.16.19.131]) by mplayerhq.banki.hu (8.12.0/8.12.0.Beta10/Debian 8.12.0.Beta10) with ESMTP id fAMJIWic007758 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 20:18:33 +0100 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) id BAA16882 for list_warpvision-list; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 01:07:31 +0300 X-Authentication-Warning: mail.useic.ru: majordomo set sender to owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru using -f Received: from woodstock.localdomain (IDENT:root@port32-3.pppsubscriber.deltav.hu [213.163.32.3]) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA16879 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 01:07:22 +0300 Received: from gabucino by woodstock.localdomain with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 166zCd-0005mx-00 for list_warpvision@list.os2.ru; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 20:08:03 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 20:08:03 +0100 From: Gabucino To: list_warpvision@list.os2.ru Subject: Re: MPlayer for OS/2 or stolen code or WTF ? Message-ID: <20011122200803.A21754@woodstock.localdomain> Mail-Followup-To: list_warpvision@list.os2.ru References: <200111221850.VAA39163@unn.ac.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="tKW2IUtsqtDRztdT" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200111221850.VAA39163@unn.ac.ru> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i X-Operating-System: Linux woodstock.localdomain 2.4.9 Sender: owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Precedence: bulk Status: RO Content-Length: 1279 Lines: 46 --tKW2IUtsqtDRztdT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >MPlayer to OS/2 ? > What for? There are a lot of original ideas and sources contributed to > WarpVision. It's FAR FROM MPlayer. It's TOTALLY ANOTHER player. I like this one. > And using a library from MPlayer doesn't change this. What library? > >I'll answer myself: personal glory (fame, money, etc). > Don't think that all people are like you. Think a bit, even if it's hard. --=20 Gabucino --tKW2IUtsqtDRztdT Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7/U0TAq6GhkS0XDcRAmcMAJ9dLQmVE7A8bcgk9mlZxXc2BRjdQQCgnM9I pbmtf0690VwnVhGny0BUQmk= =jOcU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --tKW2IUtsqtDRztdT-- ----------------------------------------------- WarpVision project mailing list http://OS2.Ru/projects/video/warpvision.phtml.en ----------------------------------------------- To post a message or reply, send it to: list_warpvision@list.os2.ru To unsubscribe from this list, send the following message ................................. to: majordomo@list.os2.ru body: unsubscribe list_warpvision From owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Thu Nov 22 20:32:59 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: gabucino@localhost Delivery-date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 20:32:59 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=root) by woodstock.localdomain with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 166zal-0006Fy-00 for gabucino@localhost; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 20:32:59 +0100 Received: from mplayerhq.hu [192.190.173.45] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.9.4) for gabucino@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 22 Nov 2001 20:32:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.useic.ru (IDENT:root@[212.16.19.131]) by mplayerhq.banki.hu (8.12.0/8.12.0.Beta10/Debian 8.12.0.Beta10) with ESMTP id fAMJY8ic011870 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 20:34:10 +0100 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) id BAA16928 for list_warpvision-list; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 01:20:24 +0300 X-Authentication-Warning: mail.useic.ru: majordomo set sender to owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru using -f Received: from vsi.gov.lv ([159.148.41.82]) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA16925 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 01:20:16 +0300 Received: (from root@localhost) by vsi.gov.lv (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fAMJZLv00900 for list_warpvision@list.os2.ru.saver.; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 21:35:21 +0200 Received: from there (shinestar.vsi.gov.lv [192.168.13.73]) by vsi.gov.lv (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id fAMJZL600896 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 21:35:21 +0200 Message-Id: <200111221935.fAMJZL600896@vsi.gov.lv> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" From: "Daniil V. Kolpakov" Reply-To: "Daniil V. Kolpakov" To: "list_warpvision@list.os2.ru" Subject: Re: Comments from Project's WWW Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 21:32:15 +0200 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3] References: <200111221842.VAA06421@adm.sci-nnov.ru> In-Reply-To: <200111221842.VAA06421@adm.sci-nnov.ru> X-MS-Windows-NT: Suxx X-Linux: Rulez X-beer: Enabled MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Precedence: bulk Status: RO Content-Length: 3950 Lines: 94 Is it me so fast (mplayer alt-FAQ) or mailing lists are so slow? I've posted to mplayer-users a letter about20 min. ago and I don't get it back. BTW, list_warpvision is not too fast, either ;) On 22 November 2001 20:42, you wrote: > On Thu, 22 Nov 2001 20:48:02 +0200, Daniil V. Kolpakov wrote: > > Они читают наш мэйллист, не беспокойся... Хотя можешь и написать, > если есть желание... > > И тебя устраивают фразы: "Они умрут как собаки, я клянусь!" Это > нормально ? Это в европе так принято общаться? Это не напоминает тебе > синдром "ненависти к оккупантам", клятвы, терроризмом вообще-то > попахивает... > > >On 22 November 2001 20:12, you wrote: > >> Привет! > >> > >> On Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:17:56 +0200, Daniil V. Kolpakov wrote: > >> >Народ, неужели вы и вправду скомуниздили MPlayer с > >> >http://www.mplayerhq.hu/? Устроит ответ "Y" или "N" ;) > >> > >> Никто ничего не комуниздил. Да, использованы библиотеки, > >> да - я не проверил и недосмотрел и в тех.версии не указал все > >> копирайты, а Алекс - мне не напомнил (в смысле мы оба виноваты:). > > > >Я не пользую ОС2 (Linux и для игрух Windows 98), так что не знаю, > > какие копирайты указаны, но вы уж на страничке напишите хотя бы > > "based on MPlayer". > > > >> Однако подобных целей и в помине не было, собственно, Alex Gankov > >> еще летом в мэйллисте warpmedia СООБЩАЛ о том, что WarpVision > >> БУДЕТ > > > >Э... Но пока-то, я понимаю, это не так? Собственно, а чего > >тормозить-то? Понимаю, может быть кривой код, и вс такое. Ну пофиг! > >Как говорится - "не нравится - не смотри". :) > > > >> открыт в opensource. Так что, что называется, "ждите официальных > >> пресс-релизов" в теч. сегодняшнего-завтрашнего дня. Естественно, > >> все права авторов mplayer и ffmpeg будут сохранены. Что касается > >> исходников - то я могу сказать, что они будут распространяться на > >> условиях GPL. > > > >Давайте, мужики, а то стыдно за русских :) > > > >> Впечатляют две вещи: 1) скорость реакции - я уверен, что среди > >> OS/2-community у OS2.Ru DevTeam есть недоброжелатели, которые в > >> этом > > > >Я-то заш л, как обычно, на сайт mplayer'а, и тут увидел. > > > >> поучаствовали. Это грустно. 2) незнание юниксоидов GPL при ссылке > >> на него. > > > >Понимаешь, там не вс так просто. Да, mplayer - open source, но он > >выпущен под GPL с одной поправкой - нельзя распространять бинарники. > >Как у вас с этим? Я, признаться, не в курсе, считается ли ваш плейер > >бинарным дистрибутивом mplayer или нет (ведь там, наверное, до фига > > и вашего кода). Далее, некоторые библиотеки там под другими > > лицензиями (не помню, как там вс точно - посмотри сам, на сайте вс > > написано). > > > >> 3) их активность - так сказать, спасибо за рекламу :) > > > >Ну так они разозлились неслабо. На самом деле, если бы на вашем > > сайте хоть бы слово "mplayer" было написано... Короче, я в лист > > mplayer'а ваше письмо пошлю, охота вс уладить :) > > Regards, Alex Strelnikov (IRC #os2russian on EFnet, nick Lelik). > Project page http://os2.ru/projects/video/warpvision.phtml.en > > > ----------------------------------------------- > WarpVision project mailing list > http://OS2.Ru/projects/video/warpvision.phtml.en > ----------------------------------------------- > To post a message or reply, send it to: list_warpvision@list.os2.ru > To unsubscribe from this list, send the following message > ................................. > to: majordomo@list.os2.ru > body: unsubscribe list_warpvision -- The remote host or network may be down. Please try the request again. ----------------------------------------------- WarpVision project mailing list http://OS2.Ru/projects/video/warpvision.phtml.en ----------------------------------------------- To post a message or reply, send it to: list_warpvision@list.os2.ru To unsubscribe from this list, send the following message ................................. to: majordomo@list.os2.ru body: unsubscribe list_warpvision From owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Thu Nov 22 22:05:17 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: gabucino@localhost Delivery-date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 22:05:17 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=root) by woodstock.localdomain with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 167125-0006II-00 for gabucino@localhost; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 22:05:17 +0100 Received: from mplayerhq.hu [192.190.173.45] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.9.4) for gabucino@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 22 Nov 2001 22:05:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.useic.ru (IDENT:root@[212.16.19.131]) by mplayerhq.banki.hu (8.12.0/8.12.0.Beta10/Debian 8.12.0.Beta10) with ESMTP id fAML5Tic026801 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 22:05:30 +0100 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) id CAA17091 for list_warpvision-list; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 02:33:34 +0300 X-Authentication-Warning: mail.useic.ru: majordomo set sender to owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru using -f Received: from adm.sci-nnov.ru (adm.sci-nnov.ru [195.122.226.2]) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA17088 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 02:33:18 +0300 Received: from lelik.mtelecom.nnov.ru (mtelecom.nnov.ru [195.122.230.65]) by adm.sci-nnov.ru (8.9.3/Dmiter-4.1-AGK-0.5) with SMTP id XAA12589 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 23:25:34 +0300 (MSK) Message-Id: <200111222025.XAA12589@adm.sci-nnov.ru> From: "Alex Strelnikov" To: "list_warpvision@list.os2.ru" Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 23:25:32 +0300 (MST) Reply-To: "Alex Strelnikov" X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.1999 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <200111221935.fAMJZL600896@vsi.gov.lv> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Comments from Project's WWW Sender: owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Precedence: bulk Status: RO Content-Length: 4685 Lines: 113 On Thu, 22 Nov 2001 21:32:15 +0200, Daniil V. Kolpakov wrote: Ты сейчас куда хотел написать? :) Написал в wv. >Is it me so fast (mplayer alt-FAQ) or mailing lists are so slow? I've >posted to mplayer-users a letter about20 min. ago and I don't get it >back. BTW, list_warpvision is not too fast, either ;) > >On 22 November 2001 20:42, you wrote: >> On Thu, 22 Nov 2001 20:48:02 +0200, Daniil V. Kolpakov wrote: >> >> Они читают наш мэйллист, не беспокойся... Хотя можешь и написать, >> если есть желание... >> >> И тебя устраивают фразы: "Они умрут как собаки, я клянусь!" Это >> нормально ? Это в европе так принято общаться? Это не напоминает тебе >> синдром "ненависти к оккупантам", клятвы, терроризмом вообще-то >> попахивает... >> >> >On 22 November 2001 20:12, you wrote: >> >> Привет! >> >> >> >> On Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:17:56 +0200, Daniil V. Kolpakov wrote: >> >> >Народ, неужели вы и вправду скомуниздили MPlayer с >> >> >http://www.mplayerhq.hu/? Устроит ответ "Y" или "N" ;) >> >> >> >> Никто ничего не комуниздил. Да, использованы библиотеки, >> >> да - я не проверил и недосмотрел и в тех.версии не указал все >> >> копирайты, а Алекс - мне не напомнил (в смысле мы оба виноваты:). >> > >> >Я не пользую ОС2 (Linux и для игрух Windows 98), так что не знаю, >> > какие копирайты указаны, но вы уж на страничке напишите хотя бы >> > "based on MPlayer". >> > >> >> Однако подобных целей и в помине не было, собственно, Alex Gankov >> >> еще летом в мэйллисте warpmedia СООБЩАЛ о том, что WarpVision >> >> БУДЕТ >> > >> >Э... Но пока-то, я понимаю, это не так? Собственно, а чего >> >тормозить-то? Понимаю, может быть кривой код, и вс такое. Ну пофиг! >> >Как говорится - "не нравится - не смотри". :) >> > >> >> открыт в opensource. Так что, что называется, "ждите официальных >> >> пресс-релизов" в теч. сегодняшнего-завтрашнего дня. Естественно, >> >> все права авторов mplayer и ffmpeg будут сохранены. Что касается >> >> исходников - то я могу сказать, что они будут распространяться на >> >> условиях GPL. >> > >> >Давайте, мужики, а то стыдно за русских :) >> > >> >> Впечатляют две вещи: 1) скорость реакции - я уверен, что среди >> >> OS/2-community у OS2.Ru DevTeam есть недоброжелатели, которые в >> >> этом >> > >> >Я-то заш л, как обычно, на сайт mplayer'а, и тут увидел. >> > >> >> поучаствовали. Это грустно. 2) незнание юниксоидов GPL при ссылке >> >> на него. >> > >> >Понимаешь, там не вс так просто. Да, mplayer - open source, но он >> >выпущен под GPL с одной поправкой - нельзя распространять бинарники. >> >Как у вас с этим? Я, признаться, не в курсе, считается ли ваш плейер >> >бинарным дистрибутивом mplayer или нет (ведь там, наверное, до фига >> > и вашего кода). Далее, некоторые библиотеки там под другими >> > лицензиями (не помню, как там вс точно - посмотри сам, на сайте вс >> > написано). >> > >> >> 3) их активность - так сказать, спасибо за рекламу :) >> > >> >Ну так они разозлились неслабо. На самом деле, если бы на вашем >> > сайте хоть бы слово "mplayer" было написано... Короче, я в лист >> > mplayer'а ваше письмо пошлю, охота вс уладить :) >> >> Regards, Alex Strelnikov (IRC #os2russian on EFnet, nick Lelik). >> Project page http://os2.ru/projects/video/warpvision.phtml.en >> >> >> ----------------------------------------------- >> WarpVision project mailing list >> http://OS2.Ru/projects/video/warpvision.phtml.en >> ----------------------------------------------- >> To post a message or reply, send it to: list_warpvision@list.os2.ru >> To unsubscribe from this list, send the following message >> ................................. >> to: majordomo@list.os2.ru >> body: unsubscribe list_warpvision > >-- >The remote host or network may be down. Please try the request again. >----------------------------------------------- >WarpVision project mailing list >http://OS2.Ru/projects/video/warpvision.phtml.en >----------------------------------------------- >To post a message or reply, send it to: list_warpvision@list.os2.ru >To unsubscribe from this list, send the following message >................................. >to: majordomo@list.os2.ru >body: unsubscribe list_warpvision Regards, Alex Strelnikov (IRC #os2russian on EFnet, nick Lelik). Project page http://os2.ru/projects/video/warpvision.phtml.en ----------------------------------------------- WarpVision project mailing list http://OS2.Ru/projects/video/warpvision.phtml.en ----------------------------------------------- To post a message or reply, send it to: list_warpvision@list.os2.ru To unsubscribe from this list, send the following message ................................. to: majordomo@list.os2.ru body: unsubscribe list_warpvision From owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Thu Nov 22 22:15:29 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: gabucino@localhost Delivery-date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 22:15:29 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=root) by woodstock.localdomain with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 1671Bx-0006Iv-00 for gabucino@localhost; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 22:15:29 +0100 Received: from mplayerhq.hu [192.190.173.45] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.9.4) for gabucino@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 22 Nov 2001 22:15:29 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.useic.ru (IDENT:root@[212.16.19.131]) by mplayerhq.banki.hu (8.12.0/8.12.0.Beta10/Debian 8.12.0.Beta10) with ESMTP id fAMLEwic028814 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 22:14:59 +0100 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) id CAA17112 for list_warpvision-list; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 02:44:18 +0300 X-Authentication-Warning: mail.useic.ru: majordomo set sender to owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru using -f Received: from thot.banki.hu (arpi@thot.banki.hu [192.190.173.38]) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA17109 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 02:44:02 +0300 Received: (from arpi@localhost) by thot.banki.hu (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) id WAA09352 for list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 22:38:27 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 22:38:27 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200111222038.WAA09352@thot.banki.hu> From: Arpi To: list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Subject: Re: Re: MPlayer for OS/2 or stolen code or WTF ? In-Reply-To: <200111221850.VAA39163@unn.ac.ru> X-Mailer: GyikSoft Mailer for UNIX v3.5 by Arpi/ESP-team (http://esp-team.scene.hu) Sender: owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Precedence: bulk Status: RO Content-Length: 2042 Lines: 51 Hi, > >> You'd better not to make "big deal" but just to mail me instead. > >Would you be so kind to expain me: just why didn't you rather _PORT_ > >MPlayer to OS/2 ? > > What for? There are a lot of original ideas and sources contributed to WarpVision. > It's FAR FROM MPlayer. It's TOTALLY ANOTHER player. > And using a library from MPlayer doesn't change this. hehe :) which library? libmplayer? :) it seems to all important code of warpvision is simply stolen from mplayer. a-v sync, mp3 decoder, divx decoder, demuxers. what else left? ah, ao/vo. public the source, then we can speak about the details, and about how many lines is stolen. i bet you don't publish source exactly for this reason. btw, i don't ask you to name it mplayer. i just ask to give cerdit to all authors and contributors, and don't show it as your own product. it's unfair. in other work: it's stolen code. btw. about the licenses. have you ever read mplayer's license??? not. it doesn't allow distributing binaries compiled from mplayer source. you do exactly that. you should either remove all code stolen from mplayer and ffmpeg, or change your mind, public source code and show all credits and doesn't change the license and copyright messages. but you refuse to do it... maybe i should ask your net provider to do something, as you all refuse to stop doing illegal things. oh, and please. use english when speaking about this topic. speaking in russian is like speaking behind someone's back. we can ask someone to translate it for us, but it's slow and unfair again. A'rpi / Astral & ESP-team -- mailto:arpi@thot.banki.hu http://esp-team.scene.hu ----------------------------------------------- WarpVision project mailing list http://OS2.Ru/projects/video/warpvision.phtml.en ----------------------------------------------- To post a message or reply, send it to: list_warpvision@list.os2.ru To unsubscribe from this list, send the following message ................................. to: majordomo@list.os2.ru body: unsubscribe list_warpvision From owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Fri Nov 23 03:50:17 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: gabucino@localhost Delivery-date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 03:50:17 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=root) by woodstock.localdomain with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 1676Px-0006S4-00 for gabucino@localhost; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 03:50:17 +0100 Received: from mplayerhq.hu [192.190.173.45] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.9.4) for gabucino@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 23 Nov 2001 03:50:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.useic.ru (IDENT:root@[212.16.19.131]) by mplayerhq.banki.hu (8.12.0/8.12.0.Beta10/Debian 8.12.0.Beta10) with ESMTP id fAN2oVic014725; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 03:50:32 +0100 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) id IAA17704 for list_warpvision-list; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 08:39:27 +0300 X-Authentication-Warning: mail.useic.ru: majordomo set sender to owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru using -f Received: from unn.ac.ru (ns.unn.ac.ru [193.233.136.34]) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA17701 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 08:39:21 +0300 Received: (from relf@localhost) by unn.ac.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA42002; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 05:35:33 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from relf) Message-Id: <200111230235.FAA42002@unn.ac.ru> From: "Max Alekseyev" To: "list_warpvision@list.os2.ru" Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 18:35:38 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: "Max Alekseyev" X-Mailer: PMMail 2.20.2380 for OS/2 Warp 4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: conflict Sender: owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Precedence: bulk Status: RO Content-Length: 1380 Lines: 36 Hello everybody! Let me repeat the base points of our conflict. 1. We do understand your claims and Alex (the author of WarpVision) is preparing WarpVision sources for publishing. They will be published as soon as possible. Let's leave all technical details until this is done. 2. We totally unaccept a way that MPlayer authors chose to let us know about our mistake. Instead of contacting Alex they have put a lot of "dirt" on their homepage. We cann't and won't tolerate phrases like "They will die a dog's death for sure I swear!" Alex promised to fix the problem in the first reply and asked MPlayer authors to remove dirt from their homepage. They rejected. We still insist on removing all insults from MPlayer homepage and on using more polite words. MPlayer authors have to apologize to Alex. 3. WarpVision is not just a port of MPlayer. So please don't speculate on this topic anymore. Just wait until WarpVision sources are published. Thank you! Regards, Max ----------------------------------------------- WarpVision project mailing list http://OS2.Ru/projects/video/warpvision.phtml.en ----------------------------------------------- To post a message or reply, send it to: list_warpvision@list.os2.ru To unsubscribe from this list, send the following message ................................. to: majordomo@list.os2.ru body: unsubscribe list_warpvision From owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Fri Nov 23 18:20:56 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: gabucino@localhost Delivery-date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 18:20:56 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=root) by woodstock.localdomain with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 167K0W-0006by-00 for gabucino@localhost; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 18:20:56 +0100 Received: from mplayerhq.hu [192.190.173.45] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.9.4) for gabucino@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 23 Nov 2001 18:20:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.useic.ru ([212.16.19.131]) by mplayerhq.banki.hu (8.12.0/8.12.0.Beta10/Debian 8.12.0.Beta10) with ESMTP id fAN80Oic027797; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 09:00:36 +0100 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) id NAA18151 for list_warpvision-list; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 13:36:53 +0300 X-Authentication-Warning: mail.useic.ru: majordomo set sender to owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru using -f Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:root@sdf.lonestar.org [209.221.165.117]) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA18148 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 13:36:12 +0300 Received: by sdf.lonestar.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fAN7Vgp00781; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 07:31:42 GMT Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 07:31:42 +0000 (UTC) From: Redep Kkid To: cc: Subject: Is WarpVision actually MPlayer ? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Precedence: bulk Status: RO Content-Length: 1022 Lines: 32 Hi, developers. Are you aware of the accusations made at mplayerhq.hu that you stole their and ffmpeg's source and clamed it your own ? While the GPL allows (and encourages) you to rename the project and make an OS/2 port, it also requires you to 1. Release any modifications you made to the source 2. Acknowledge the copyright by the original creators Common courtesy also suggests you notify the authors. If this is _not_ the fact, could you please comment the similarities in output between WarpVision and MPlayer? Regards, Peder kkid@sdf.lonestar.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org ----------------------------------------------- WarpVision project mailing list http://OS2.Ru/projects/video/warpvision.phtml.en ----------------------------------------------- To post a message or reply, send it to: list_warpvision@list.os2.ru To unsubscribe from this list, send the following message ................................. to: majordomo@list.os2.ru body: unsubscribe list_warpvision From owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Fri Nov 23 18:21:20 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: gabucino@localhost Delivery-date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 18:21:20 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=root) by woodstock.localdomain with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 167K0u-0006by-00 for gabucino@localhost; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 18:21:20 +0100 Received: from mplayerhq.hu [192.190.173.45] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.9.4) for gabucino@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 23 Nov 2001 18:21:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.useic.ru (IDENT:root@[212.16.19.131]) by mplayerhq.banki.hu (8.12.0/8.12.0.Beta10/Debian 8.12.0.Beta10) with ESMTP id fAN9dAic017089; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 10:39:14 +0100 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) id PAA18319 for list_warpvision-list; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 15:06:45 +0300 X-Authentication-Warning: mail.useic.ru: majordomo set sender to owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru using -f Received: from mail.E-Concepts.Fr (ANantes-101-1-1-19.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.2.19]) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA18316 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 15:06:29 +0300 Received: from info-next.com (gaelbox.econcepts [10.0.0.124]) by mail.E-Concepts.Fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 551581B7D16 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 10:03:15 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3BFE10D3.86B81988@info-next.com> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 10:03:15 +0100 From: Gael PEGLIASCO Organization: Info-next [http://www.info-next.com] X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.4-PRERELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: fr, en, it, es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: list_warpvision@list.os2.ru Subject: Comments from Project's WWW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Precedence: bulk Status: RO Content-Length: 1045 Lines: 29 Hello, I've seen on mplayer web site http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/ that you have built your player on mplayer GPL sources and you refuse to provide the sources of your own mplayer version. I have a few questions about this : - what is your interest in doing this ? by providing the sources of your player you will get support for many OS2 coders ? - you seems to not sell your player, so why refused to provide its sources ? and do not forget that GPL allow to sell software. - why close your sources ? have you implemented a backdoor, 'un cheval de Troie' (in french in the text) in it ? thanks for your reply, with kind regards, Gael, ----------------------------------------------- WarpVision project mailing list http://OS2.Ru/projects/video/warpvision.phtml.en ----------------------------------------------- To post a message or reply, send it to: list_warpvision@list.os2.ru To unsubscribe from this list, send the following message ................................. to: majordomo@list.os2.ru body: unsubscribe list_warpvision From owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Fri Nov 23 18:21:28 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: gabucino@localhost Delivery-date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 18:21:28 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=root) by woodstock.localdomain with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 167K12-0006by-00 for gabucino@localhost; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 18:21:28 +0100 Received: from mplayerhq.hu [192.190.173.45] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.9.4) for gabucino@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 23 Nov 2001 18:21:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.useic.ru ([212.16.19.131]) by mplayerhq.banki.hu (8.12.0/8.12.0.Beta10/Debian 8.12.0.Beta10) with ESMTP id fANAG5ic025535; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 11:16:18 +0100 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) id PAA18369 for list_warpvision-list; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 15:28:45 +0300 X-Authentication-Warning: mail.useic.ru: majordomo set sender to owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru using -f Received: from malibu.icl.kazan.ru (ns.icl.kazan.ru [212.22.71.21]) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA18366 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 15:28:08 +0300 Received: (from root@localhost) by malibu.icl.kazan.ru (8.11.2/8.11.2) id fAN9TBG31507 for list_warpvision@list.os2.ru.KAV; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 12:29:11 +0300 (MSK) Received: from firebird.mcsbc.icl.kazan.ru (pc097.icl.kazan.su [194.135.83.97]) by malibu.icl.kazan.ru (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id fAN9TAH31498 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 12:29:11 +0300 (MSK) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 12:24:43 +0300 From: Denis Tazetdinov X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.45) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091 Reply-To: Denis Tazetdinov Organization: ICL KME CS X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <19686596158.20011123122443@icl.kazan.ru> To: list_warpvision@list.os2.ru Subject: reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Precedence: bulk Status: RO Content-Length: 1437 Lines: 42 Hello GP> I've seen on mplayer web site http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/ that you GP> have built your player on mplayer GPL sources and you refuse to provide GP> the sources of your own mplayer version. GP> I have a few questions about this : GP> - what is your interest in doing this ? by providing the sources of your GP> player you will get support for many OS2 coders ? they're going to publish sources. this project is freeware. the only reason, why they are not published yet - deep alpha testing. those guys at mplayerhq.hu simply do not show all information about this conflict. instead, author is contacting them. they just screaming. moreover, this project is not MPlayer. it just uses two libs. for example, sync in WarpVision is made by DART (OS/2 routine), not by linux* stuff. if they do not remove that stupid text and picture from their site, they show themselves very bad. it just can discredit linux society and their country. -- Best regards, Denis mailto:Devastator@icl.kazan.ru ----------------------------------------------- WarpVision project mailing list http://OS2.Ru/projects/video/warpvision.phtml.en ----------------------------------------------- To post a message or reply, send it to: list_warpvision@list.os2.ru To unsubscribe from this list, send the following message ................................. to: majordomo@list.os2.ru body: unsubscribe list_warpvision From owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Fri Nov 23 18:21:42 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: gabucino@localhost Delivery-date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 18:21:42 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=root) by woodstock.localdomain with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 167K1G-0006by-00 for gabucino@localhost; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 18:21:42 +0100 Received: from mplayerhq.hu [192.190.173.45] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.9.4) for gabucino@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 23 Nov 2001 18:21:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.useic.ru ([212.16.19.131]) by mplayerhq.banki.hu (8.12.0/8.12.0.Beta10/Debian 8.12.0.Beta10) with ESMTP id fANAlHic032562; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 11:47:25 +0100 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) id QAA18487 for list_warpvision-list; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 16:18:04 +0300 X-Authentication-Warning: mail.useic.ru: majordomo set sender to owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru using -f Received: from thot.banki.hu (arpi@thot.banki.hu [192.190.173.38]) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA18484 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 16:17:54 +0300 Received: (from arpi@localhost) by thot.banki.hu (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) id MAA09340 for list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 12:12:13 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 12:12:13 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200111231012.MAA09340@thot.banki.hu> From: Arpi To: list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Subject: Re: conflict In-Reply-To: <200111230235.FAA42002@unn.ac.ru> X-Mailer: GyikSoft Mailer for UNIX v3.5 by Arpi/ESP-team (http://esp-team.scene.hu) Sender: owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Precedence: bulk Status: RO Content-Length: 2000 Lines: 46 Hi, > Let me repeat the base points of our conflict. > > 1. We do understand your claims and Alex (the author of WarpVision) is preparing WarpVision sources for publishing. > They will be published as soon as possible. Let's leave all technical details until this is done. ok > 2. We totally unaccept a way that MPlayer authors chose to let us know about our mistake. > Instead of contacting Alex they have put a lot of "dirt" on their homepage. > We cann't and won't tolerate phrases like "They will die a dog's death for sure I swear!" > > Alex promised to fix the problem in the first reply and asked MPlayer authors to remove dirt from their homepage. > They rejected. We still insist on removing all insults from MPlayer homepage and on using more polite words. > MPlayer authors have to apologize to Alex. We asked Alex to fix his homepage, and he refused. So what? We won't change anything until he show at least a little step to do something. He seems to refuses everything and still announces that stolen code as his own code. It is not acceptd by us. Completly remove that stuff from os2.ru homepage, or fix the credits and licensing stuff, both on homepage and inside the program. Then we'll immediately remove the news entry from mplayer page. But until it's done, we won't move. > 3. WarpVision is not just a port of MPlayer. So please don't speculate on this topic anymore. It's just a bit more than a port. > Just wait until WarpVision sources are published. ok, but remove that until it's done. A'rpi / Astral & ESP-team -- mailto:arpi@thot.banki.hu http://esp-team.scene.hu ----------------------------------------------- WarpVision project mailing list http://OS2.Ru/projects/video/warpvision.phtml.en ----------------------------------------------- To post a message or reply, send it to: list_warpvision@list.os2.ru To unsubscribe from this list, send the following message ................................. to: majordomo@list.os2.ru body: unsubscribe list_warpvision From owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Fri Nov 23 18:21:58 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: gabucino@localhost Delivery-date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 18:21:58 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=root) by woodstock.localdomain with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 167K1W-0006by-00 for gabucino@localhost; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 18:21:58 +0100 Received: from mplayerhq.hu [192.190.173.45] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.9.4) for gabucino@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 23 Nov 2001 18:21:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.useic.ru (IDENT:root@[212.16.19.131]) by mplayerhq.banki.hu (8.12.0/8.12.0.Beta10/Debian 8.12.0.Beta10) with ESMTP id fANBE0ic005170; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 12:14:09 +0100 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) id QAA18533 for list_warpvision-list; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 16:32:23 +0300 X-Authentication-Warning: mail.useic.ru: majordomo set sender to owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru using -f Received: from thot.banki.hu (arpi@thot.banki.hu [192.190.173.38]) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA18530 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 16:32:17 +0300 Received: (from arpi@localhost) by thot.banki.hu (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) id MAA48676 for list_warpvision@list.os2.ru; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 12:26:55 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 12:26:55 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200111231026.MAA48676@thot.banki.hu> From: Arpi To: list_warpvision@list.os2.ru Subject: Fwd: Re: [MPlayer-users] MPlayer vs. WarpVision conflict In-Reply-To: <20011123114225.07fbdeec.nickols_k@mail.ru> X-Mailer: GyikSoft Mailer for UNIX v3.5 by Arpi/ESP-team (http://esp-team.scene.hu) Sender: owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Precedence: bulk Status: RO Content-Length: 1955 Lines: 56 --------- Forwarded message --------- From: Nick Kurshev To: mplayer-users@mplayer.dev.hu Subject: Re: [MPlayer-users] MPlayer vs. WarpVision conflict [Automatic answer: RTFM (read DOCS, FAQ), also read DOCS/bugreports.html & http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-2.96.html if you still have questions or problems] Hello, Max! On Fri, 23 Nov 2001 00:06:28 -0800 (PST) you wrote: > [Automatic answer: RTFM (read DOCS, FAQ), also read DOCS/bugreports.html & > http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-2.96.html if you still have questions or problems] > [snip] > 3. WarpVision is not just a port of MPlayer. So please don't speculate on this topic anymore. > Just wait until WarpVision sources are published. > You violate GPL!!! And it does matter. You didn't give even hint on mplayer in your project but now you require silence from mplayer's developer and users!!? First what you should to do - it's publishing notice that wvision is based on mplayer if even it's not only port of our code. (It doesn't matter how much efforce and time you have spended for that - YOU'VE VIOLATE COPYRIGHTS). Stop stealing. > Thank you! > > Regards, > Max > > > _______________________________________________ > RTFM!!! http://www.MPlayerHQ.hu/DOCS > Search: http://www.MPlayerHQ.hu/cgi-bin/htsearch > http://mplayerhq.hu/mailman/listinfo/mplayer-users > Best regards! Nick _______________________________________________ RTFM!!! http://www.MPlayerHQ.hu/DOCS Search: http://www.MPlayerHQ.hu/cgi-bin/htsearch http://mplayerhq.hu/mailman/listinfo/mplayer-users ----------------------------------------------- WarpVision project mailing list http://OS2.Ru/projects/video/warpvision.phtml.en ----------------------------------------------- To post a message or reply, send it to: list_warpvision@list.os2.ru To unsubscribe from this list, send the following message ................................. to: majordomo@list.os2.ru body: unsubscribe list_warpvision From owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Fri Nov 23 18:22:03 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: gabucino@localhost Delivery-date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 18:22:03 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=root) by woodstock.localdomain with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 167K1b-0006by-00 for gabucino@localhost; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 18:22:03 +0100 Received: from mplayerhq.hu [192.190.173.45] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.9.4) for gabucino@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 23 Nov 2001 18:22:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.useic.ru ([212.16.19.131]) by mplayerhq.banki.hu (8.12.0/8.12.0.Beta10/Debian 8.12.0.Beta10) with ESMTP id fANBNdic007165; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 12:24:09 +0100 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) id QAA18541 for list_warpvision-list; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 16:33:50 +0300 X-Authentication-Warning: mail.useic.ru: majordomo set sender to owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru using -f Received: from thot.banki.hu (arpi@thot.banki.hu [192.190.173.38]) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA18536 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 16:33:35 +0300 Received: (from arpi@localhost) by thot.banki.hu (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) id MAA59194 for list_warpvision@list.os2.ru; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 12:28:06 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 12:28:06 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200111231028.MAA59194@thot.banki.hu> From: Arpi To: list_warpvision@list.os2.ru Subject: Fwd: Re: [MPlayer-users] MPlayer vs. WarpVision conflict In-Reply-To: <20011123102121.A16691@gruik.home> X-Mailer: GyikSoft Mailer for UNIX v3.5 by Arpi/ESP-team (http://esp-team.scene.hu) Sender: owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Precedence: bulk Status: RO Content-Length: 2472 Lines: 62 --------- Forwarded message --------- From: pl To: mplayer-users@mplayer.dev.hu Subject: Re: [MPlayer-users] MPlayer vs. WarpVision conflict [Automatic answer: RTFM (read DOCS, FAQ), also read DOCS/bugreports.html & http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-2.96.html if you still have questions or problems] On Fri, Nov 23, 2001 at 12:06:28AM -0800, Max Alekseyev wrote: > Hello everybody! > > Let me repeat the base points of our conflict. > > 1. We do understand your claims and Alex (the author of WarpVision) is preparing WarpVision sources for publishing. > They will be published as soon as possible. Let's leave all technical details until this is done. It looks pretty clear and simple: You put something on the web it's accessible. Therefore it's a redistribution so you must give sources or stop the distribution till sources is available. > 2. We totally unaccept a way that MPlayer authors chose to let us know about our mistake. > Instead of contacting Alex they have put a lot of "dirt" on their homepage. > We cann't and won't tolerate phrases like "They will die a dog's death for sure I swear!" > > Alex promised to fix the problem in the first reply and asked MPlayer authors to remove dirt from their homepage. > They rejected. We still insist on removing all insults from MPlayer homepage and on using more polite words. > MPlayer authors have to apologize to Alex. The wording may be rude but you stole/borrowed/ some long hours of work spent coding and hacking binary format so try to imagine why there's angst... At least an acknowledgement would have been a minimum. > 3. WarpVision is not just a port of MPlayer. So please don't speculate on this topic anymore. > Just wait until WarpVision sources are published. They should already be. > > Thank you! > > Regards, > Max -- Best regards, pl _______________________________________________ RTFM!!! http://www.MPlayerHQ.hu/DOCS Search: http://www.MPlayerHQ.hu/cgi-bin/htsearch http://mplayerhq.hu/mailman/listinfo/mplayer-users ----------------------------------------------- WarpVision project mailing list http://OS2.Ru/projects/video/warpvision.phtml.en ----------------------------------------------- To post a message or reply, send it to: list_warpvision@list.os2.ru To unsubscribe from this list, send the following message ................................. to: majordomo@list.os2.ru body: unsubscribe list_warpvision From owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Fri Nov 23 18:22:25 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: gabucino@localhost Delivery-date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 18:22:25 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=root) by woodstock.localdomain with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 167K1w-0006by-00 for gabucino@localhost; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 18:22:25 +0100 Received: from mplayerhq.hu [192.190.173.45] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.9.4) for gabucino@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 23 Nov 2001 18:22:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.useic.ru (IDENT:root@[212.16.19.131]) by mplayerhq.banki.hu (8.12.0/8.12.0.Beta10/Debian 8.12.0.Beta10) with ESMTP id fANCEvic017928; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 13:15:00 +0100 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) id RAA18660 for list_warpvision-list; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 17:17:37 +0300 X-Authentication-Warning: mail.useic.ru: majordomo set sender to owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru using -f Received: from thot.banki.hu (arpi@thot.banki.hu [192.190.173.38]) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA18657 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 17:17:24 +0300 Received: (from arpi@localhost) by thot.banki.hu (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) id NAA13976 for list_warpvision@list.os2.ru; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 13:11:50 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 13:11:50 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200111231111.NAA13976@thot.banki.hu> From: Arpi To: list_warpvision@list.os2.ru Subject: Fwd: Re: [MPlayer-users] MPlayer vs. WarpVision conflict In-Reply-To: <20011123120852.A2897@vega.digitel2002.hu> X-Mailer: GyikSoft Mailer for UNIX v3.5 by Arpi/ESP-team (http://esp-team.scene.hu) Sender: owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Precedence: bulk Status: RO Content-Length: 3443 Lines: 80 --------- Forwarded message --------- From: GАbor LИnАrt To: mplayer-users@mplayer.dev.hu Subject: Re: [MPlayer-users] MPlayer vs. WarpVision conflict [Automatic answer: RTFM (read DOCS, FAQ), also read DOCS/bugreports.html & http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-2.96.html if you still have questions or problems] Hi! On Fri, Nov 23, 2001 at 12:06:28AM -0800, Max Alekseyev wrote: > Hello everybody! > > Let me repeat the base points of our conflict. > > 1. We do understand your claims and Alex (the author of WarpVision) is > preparing WarpVision sources for publishing. They will be published as > soon as possible. Let's leave all technical details until this is done. OK, some ideas (and thanx for the answer): 1. The author of WarpVision is NOT Alex. As you can see, man page and help screen of MPlayer says that author _IS_ Arpi with of course many helps from cool guys as well. So the WarpVision should be treated as "OS/2 port of MPlayer", Alex should be called "who ports mplayer to OS/2" but NOT the author! 2. It does not make sense for me Alex to develope a "forked" version of mplayer. Join the development and submit patches mplayer to support OS/2 as well. It would be better for OS/2 users too, since with this move the OS/2 version of mplayer would be up to date while we're developing mplayer ... > 2. We totally unaccept a way that MPlayer authors chose to let us know > about our mistake. Instead of contacting Alex they have put a lot of > "dirt" on their homepage. We cann't and won't tolerate phrases like "They > will die a dog's death for sure I swear!" :) You know "flame" is our favourite topic on any forum :) Sorry, but we can't answer for our letters for a while and we thought you simply ignored us. But besides this and all of licensing stuffs, the most annoying move of yours was the fact that WarpVision IS based on mplayer and even a _WORD_ about MPlayer was not mentioned on pages discussing WarpVision. IMHO even you have failed about licensig issues it's ill breeding a bit not to write at least a single word about MPlayer ;-( > Alex promised to fix the problem in the first reply and asked MPlayer > authors to remove dirt from their homepage. They rejected. We still insist > on removing all insults from MPlayer homepage and on using more polite > words. MPlayer authors have to apologize to Alex. And Alex has to apologize to us for stealing MPlayer WITHOUT a _SINGLE_ word about MPlayer and for treating himself WarpVision author. So IMHO it's 1:1. > 3. WarpVision is not just a port of MPlayer. So please don't speculate on > this topic anymore. Just wait until WarpVision sources are published. If you use MPlayer as the "core" of WarpVision it's a port of mplayer somewhat ... > Thank you! You're welcome :) And: instead of flame we should join our forces ... - Gabor _______________________________________________ RTFM!!! http://www.MPlayerHQ.hu/DOCS Search: http://www.MPlayerHQ.hu/cgi-bin/htsearch http://mplayerhq.hu/mailman/listinfo/mplayer-users ----------------------------------------------- WarpVision project mailing list http://OS2.Ru/projects/video/warpvision.phtml.en ----------------------------------------------- To post a message or reply, send it to: list_warpvision@list.os2.ru To unsubscribe from this list, send the following message ................................. to: majordomo@list.os2.ru body: unsubscribe list_warpvision From owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Fri Nov 23 18:22:58 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: gabucino@localhost Delivery-date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 18:22:58 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=root) by woodstock.localdomain with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 167K2U-0006by-00 for gabucino@localhost; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 18:22:58 +0100 Received: from mplayerhq.hu [192.190.173.45] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.9.4) for gabucino@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 23 Nov 2001 18:22:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.useic.ru ([212.16.19.131]) by mplayerhq.banki.hu (8.12.0/8.12.0.Beta10/Debian 8.12.0.Beta10) with ESMTP id fANE1iic004423; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 15:01:50 +0100 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) id TAA18927 for list_warpvision-list; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 19:32:34 +0300 X-Authentication-Warning: mail.useic.ru: majordomo set sender to owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru using -f Received: from tech.amc.ru ([212.16.19.190]) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA18924 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 19:32:27 +0300 Received: from os2 (d091.p9.col.ru [212.248.7.91]) by tech.amc.ru (Weasel v1.31) for list_warpvision@list.os2.ru; 23 Nov 2001 16:31:02 From: "Konstantin Okounkov" To: "WarpVision mailing list" Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 16:23:14 +0300 (MST) Reply-To: "Konstantin Okounkov" X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: WarpVision 0.0.12 release Message-ID: <200111231631.00000KXV@tech.amc.ru> Sender: owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Precedence: bulk Status: RO Content-Length: 918 Lines: 31 Hello all! I'm glad to announce WarpVision 0.0.12 release. See our homepage at http://os2.ru/projects/video/warpvision.phtml.en 0.0.12 release containts some changes and authors/licenses information, you asked. Linux-community dumbfound us by their answer to our "technical" release of WarpVision 0.0.12. WarpVision is a GPL software and we're not hide that WarpVision contains now some of other GPL projects. Okay, wait for official press-release for this situation. -- Best wishes, Konstantin Y. Okounkov. ----------------------------------------------- WarpVision project mailing list http://OS2.Ru/projects/video/warpvision.phtml.en ----------------------------------------------- To post a message or reply, send it to: list_warpvision@list.os2.ru To unsubscribe from this list, send the following message ................................. to: majordomo@list.os2.ru body: unsubscribe list_warpvision From owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Fri Nov 23 18:23:00 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: gabucino@localhost Delivery-date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 18:23:00 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=root) by woodstock.localdomain with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 167K2W-0006by-00 for gabucino@localhost; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 18:23:00 +0100 Received: from mplayerhq.hu [192.190.173.45] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.9.4) for gabucino@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 23 Nov 2001 18:23:00 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.useic.ru ([212.16.19.131]) by mplayerhq.banki.hu (8.12.0/8.12.0.Beta10/Debian 8.12.0.Beta10) with ESMTP id fANE44ic004797; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 15:05:11 +0100 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) id TAA18911 for list_warpvision-list; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 19:26:40 +0300 X-Authentication-Warning: mail.useic.ru: majordomo set sender to owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru using -f Received: from vsi.gov.lv ([159.148.41.82]) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA18906 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 19:24:30 +0300 Received: (from root@localhost) by vsi.gov.lv (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fANDdjA05419 for list_warpvision@list.os2.ru.saver.; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 15:39:45 +0200 Received: from there (shinestar.vsi.gov.lv [192.168.13.73]) by vsi.gov.lv (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id fANDdi605415 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 15:39:44 +0200 Message-Id: <200111231339.fANDdi605415@vsi.gov.lv> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Daniil V. Kolpakov" Reply-To: "Daniil V. Kolpakov" To: list_warpvision@list.os2.ru Subject: Fwd: Re: [MPlayer-users] Fwd: Re: Comments from Project's WWW Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 15:36:29 +0200 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3] X-MS-Windows-NT: Suxx X-Linux: Rulez X-beer: Enabled MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Precedence: bulk Status: RO Content-Length: 1672 Lines: 47 ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Re: [MPlayer-users] Fwd: Re: Comments from Project's WWW Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 13:48:51 +0100 (CET) From: Sven Hartge To: mplayer-users@mplayer.dev.hu [Automatic answer: RTFM (read DOCS, FAQ), also read DOCS/bugreports.html & http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-2.96.html if you still have questions or problems] Um 14:00 Uhr am 23.11.01 schrieb Daniil V. Kolpakov: >> "WILL" is not GPL compliant. GPL says source must be available every >> time. > > The only thing I can suppuse (if they don't lie) is that the code is > currently so ugly that it would be shame to publish it. However, they > should at least email it to everyone at request, right? Right. You don't need to put the sources on an FTP- or HTTP-Server, as long as you send the sources to people who request them. And, of course, if something is a "derived work", which WarpVision seems to be, you have to say so. S! _______________________________________________ RTFM!!! http://www.MPlayerHQ.hu/DOCS Search: http://www.MPlayerHQ.hu/cgi-bin/htsearch http://mplayerhq.hu/mailman/listinfo/mplayer-users ------------------------------------------------------- -- The remote host or network may be down. Please try the request again. ----------------------------------------------- WarpVision project mailing list http://OS2.Ru/projects/video/warpvision.phtml.en ----------------------------------------------- To post a message or reply, send it to: list_warpvision@list.os2.ru To unsubscribe from this list, send the following message ................................. to: majordomo@list.os2.ru body: unsubscribe list_warpvision From owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Fri Nov 23 18:23:02 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: gabucino@localhost Delivery-date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 18:23:02 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=root) by woodstock.localdomain with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 167K2Y-0006by-00 for gabucino@localhost; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 18:23:02 +0100 Received: from mplayerhq.hu [192.190.173.45] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.9.4) for gabucino@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 23 Nov 2001 18:23:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.useic.ru (IDENT:root@[212.16.19.131]) by mplayerhq.banki.hu (8.12.0/8.12.0.Beta10/Debian 8.12.0.Beta10) with ESMTP id fANEVhic009472; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 15:31:55 +0100 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) id UAA19013 for list_warpvision-list; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 20:05:33 +0300 X-Authentication-Warning: mail.useic.ru: majordomo set sender to owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru using -f Received: from thot.banki.hu (arpi@thot.banki.hu [192.190.173.38]) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA19010 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 20:05:21 +0300 Received: (from arpi@localhost) by thot.banki.hu (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) id PAA13974 for list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 15:59:50 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 15:59:50 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200111231359.PAA13974@thot.banki.hu> From: Arpi To: list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Subject: Re: WarpVision 0.0.12 release In-Reply-To: <200111231631.00000KXV@tech.amc.ru> X-Mailer: GyikSoft Mailer for UNIX v3.5 by Arpi/ESP-team (http://esp-team.scene.hu) Sender: owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Precedence: bulk Status: RO Content-Length: 702 Lines: 24 Hi, > > 0.0.12 release containts some changes and authors/licenses information, you asked. Ok. I don't why took it so long... I'll ask Gabucino to remove/change it on mplayer homepage, expect similar reaction speed :) A'rpi / Astral & ESP-team -- mailto:arpi@thot.banki.hu http://esp-team.scene.hu ----------------------------------------------- WarpVision project mailing list http://OS2.Ru/projects/video/warpvision.phtml.en ----------------------------------------------- To post a message or reply, send it to: list_warpvision@list.os2.ru To unsubscribe from this list, send the following message ................................. to: majordomo@list.os2.ru body: unsubscribe list_warpvision From owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Fri Nov 23 18:23:08 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: gabucino@localhost Delivery-date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 18:23:08 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=root) by woodstock.localdomain with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 167K2e-0006by-00 for gabucino@localhost; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 18:23:08 +0100 Received: from mplayerhq.hu [192.190.173.45] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.9.4) for gabucino@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 23 Nov 2001 18:23:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.useic.ru (IDENT:root@[212.16.19.131]) by mplayerhq.banki.hu (8.12.0/8.12.0.Beta10/Debian 8.12.0.Beta10) with ESMTP id fANEwSic013853; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 15:58:29 +0100 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) id UAA19096 for list_warpvision-list; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 20:45:14 +0300 X-Authentication-Warning: mail.useic.ru: majordomo set sender to owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru using -f Received: from thot.banki.hu (arpi@thot.banki.hu [192.190.173.38]) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA19093 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 20:45:06 +0300 Received: (from arpi@localhost) by thot.banki.hu (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) id QAA30780 for list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 16:39:45 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 16:39:45 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200111231439.QAA30780@thot.banki.hu> From: Arpi To: list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Subject: Re: Re: WarpVision 0.0.12 release In-Reply-To: <200111231359.PAA13974@thot.banki.hu> X-Mailer: GyikSoft Mailer for UNIX v3.5 by Arpi/ESP-team (http://esp-team.scene.hu) Sender: owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Precedence: bulk Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1523 Lines: 41 Hi, > > 0.0.12 release containts some changes and authors/licenses information, you asked. just checked the source. why do you say "i'm not ported mplayer. this is new..." ? even wvision.cpp is the same as our mplayer.c, with few blocks commented out. i don't understand why didn't you make vo_dive and ao_dart, instead of messing more with globals.. but it's your stuff, i don't care. we'll probably make a proper os/2 port soon. anyone interested? and don't tell people that A-V code is new and is not from mplayer. just compare mplayer.c and wvision.cpp:TimestampCorrection()... and of course dec_*.c and other main files from mplayer are also used, so don't tell people 'just 2 small libs used from mplayer' as it's false. btw, you could leave out some big chunks of the code, as they cannot be reached without comamndline options (you removed our commandline and configfile parser so they are useless) btw your statements on the homepage are bad! there is no mmx2/3dnow/sse code enabled in warpvision!!! it only have mmx support. A'rpi / Astral & ESP-team -- mailto:arpi@thot.banki.hu http://esp-team.scene.hu ----------------------------------------------- WarpVision project mailing list http://OS2.Ru/projects/video/warpvision.phtml.en ----------------------------------------------- To post a message or reply, send it to: list_warpvision@list.os2.ru To unsubscribe from this list, send the following message ................................. to: majordomo@list.os2.ru body: unsubscribe list_warpvision From owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Fri Nov 23 18:23:29 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: gabucino@localhost Delivery-date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 18:23:29 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=root) by woodstock.localdomain with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 167K2z-0006by-00 for gabucino@localhost; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 18:23:29 +0100 Received: from mplayerhq.hu [192.190.173.45] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.9.4) for gabucino@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 23 Nov 2001 18:23:29 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.useic.ru ([212.16.19.131]) by mplayerhq.banki.hu (8.12.0/8.12.0.Beta10/Debian 8.12.0.Beta10) with ESMTP id fANGKaic028274; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 17:20:40 +0100 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) id VAA19237 for list_warpvision-list; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 21:50:16 +0300 X-Authentication-Warning: mail.useic.ru: majordomo set sender to owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru using -f Received: from mailout03.sul.t-online.de (mailout03.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.81]) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA19234 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 21:50:08 +0300 Received: from fwd03.sul.t-online.de by mailout03.sul.t-online.de with smtp id 167IWn-0007YQ-00; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 16:46:09 +0100 Received: from there (520036473196-0001@[217.225.22.167]) by fmrl03.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 167IWh-2HbMSuC; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 16:46:03 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" From: Felix Buenemann Reply-To: atmos4@mplayer.dev.hu Organization: MPlayer Project To: Subject: WarpVision/MPlayer - what to do? Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 16:45:45 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <167IWh-2HbMSuC@fmrl03.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 520036473196-0001@t-dialin.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mail.useic.ru id VAA19235 Sender: owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Precedence: bulk Status: RO Content-Length: 1976 Lines: 43 Hi, IMHO the best thing to handle this correctly is: - send patches required to build mplayer [aka warpvision] to mplayer developers mailinglist so we can include it into mplayer, you are enforced to make all code based on mplayer available to it's original authors and others as stated in the license - as current mplayer license doesn't allow binary builds you could do the following: as source compiling might be very unusual to users on os/2 you could either create binaries from mplayer treee, that do not include code with licensing issues, that'd be opendivx stuff and, not sure xanim support. - then either discontinue warpvision as it would be redundnat (users could use mplayer on os/2), you could do further addition to mplayer code by sending patches or through cvs if approved. - OR: fork from mplayer tree as project warpvision, but you have to add all the required copyright notices and the inheritance from mplayer and of course make the source available as GPL forces you. BTW. if you don't want to make your own code GPL, you are not allowed to distribute binary releases as only fully GPLed software is allowed to be distributed as binaries (whereas in sourceform different licenses can coexist as a form of free speech). PS.: we like to support as many different systems/OSes as possible with mplayer, so an os/2 port is a nice thing, it's only warpvision did it the wrong way. -- Best Regards, Atmos ____________________________________________ - MPlayer Developer - http://mplayerhq.hu/ - ____________________________________________ ----------------------------------------------- WarpVision project mailing list http://OS2.Ru/projects/video/warpvision.phtml.en ----------------------------------------------- To post a message or reply, send it to: list_warpvision@list.os2.ru To unsubscribe from this list, send the following message ................................. to: majordomo@list.os2.ru body: unsubscribe list_warpvision From owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Fri Nov 23 18:23:34 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: gabucino@localhost Delivery-date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 18:23:34 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=root) by woodstock.localdomain with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 167K33-0006by-00 for gabucino@localhost; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 18:23:34 +0100 Received: from mplayerhq.hu [192.190.173.45] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.9.4) for gabucino@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 23 Nov 2001 18:23:33 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.useic.ru (IDENT:root@[212.16.19.131]) by mplayerhq.banki.hu (8.12.0/8.12.0.Beta10/Debian 8.12.0.Beta10) with ESMTP id fANGfWic032231; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 17:41:35 +0100 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) id WAA19318 for list_warpvision-list; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 22:25:12 +0300 X-Authentication-Warning: mail.useic.ru: majordomo set sender to owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru using -f Received: from mailout00.sul.t-online.de (mailout00.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.16]) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA19314 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 22:24:46 +0300 Received: from fwd03.sul.t-online.de by mailout00.sul.t-online.de with smtp id 167J4R-00073E-0I; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 17:20:55 +0100 Received: from there (520036473196-0001@[217.225.22.167]) by fmrl03.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 167J4E-0a7BFgC; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 17:20:42 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Felix Buenemann Reply-To: atmos4@mplayer.dev.hu Organization: MPlayer Project To: list_warpvision@list.os2.ru Subject: Re: reply Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 17:20:10 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: <19686596158.20011123122443@icl.kazan.ru> In-Reply-To: <19686596158.20011123122443@icl.kazan.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <167J4E-0a7BFgC@fmrl03.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 520036473196-0001@t-dialin.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mail.useic.ru id WAA19316 Sender: owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Precedence: bulk Status: RO Content-Length: 2836 Lines: 61 On Friday, 23. November 2001 10:24, you wrote: > Hello > > GP> I've seen on mplayer web site http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/ that > you GP> have built your player on mplayer GPL sources and you refuse to > provide GP> the sources of your own mplayer version. > > GP> I have a few questions about this : > > GP> - what is your interest in doing this ? by providing the sources of > your GP> player you will get support for many OS2 coders ? > > they're going to publish sources. this project is freeware. the only > reason, why they are not published yet - deep alpha testing. > those guys at mplayerhq.hu simply do not show all information about > this conflict. instead, author is contacting them. they just > screaming. I cannot understand this, only because a program is in alpha phase you may not keep it's sources and inheritance in secret. You could have stated something like this: "WarpVision is based on MPlayer, whose sources can be found at http://mplayerhq.hu", we have not yet published our source modifications, as they are in eraly alpha stage." Btw. you should read up some documentation on the difference between freeware (used as "free beer" software) and open source software aka "free speech" software, eg. http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html. > > moreover, this project is not MPlayer. it just uses two libs. for > example, sync in WarpVision is made by DART (OS/2 routine), not by > linux* stuff. This is incorrect, it at least uses libmpdemux, mp3lib, libavcodec along with config/commandline and codec configuration parser from mplayer core code. This is what I can clearly see from the output and I guess from looking at the binary one could get more detailed info about this fact. > > if they do not remove that stupid text and picture from their site, > they show themselves very bad. it just can discredit linux society and > their country. I agree with you, that the last sentence: "I guess FSF (Free Software Founda[...] from MPlayer is even WORSE!" is a bit inapropriate and personally I would've written it differently, but where does this discredit linux society or even hungary? (btw. "their country" is fuzzy, mplayer has developers not only from hungary but also germany, usa, russia, poland, sweden and others... :-) -- Best Regards, Atmos ____________________________________________ - MPlayer Developer - http://mplayerhq.hu/ - ____________________________________________ ----------------------------------------------- WarpVision project mailing list http://OS2.Ru/projects/video/warpvision.phtml.en ----------------------------------------------- To post a message or reply, send it to: list_warpvision@list.os2.ru To unsubscribe from this list, send the following message ................................. to: majordomo@list.os2.ru body: unsubscribe list_warpvision From owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Fri Nov 23 20:00:44 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: gabucino@localhost Delivery-date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 20:00:44 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=root) by woodstock.localdomain with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 167LZ6-0006ot-00 for gabucino@localhost; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 20:00:44 +0100 Received: from mplayerhq.hu [192.190.173.45] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.9.4) for gabucino@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 23 Nov 2001 20:00:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.useic.ru (IDENT:root@[212.16.19.131]) by mplayerhq.banki.hu (8.12.0/8.12.0.Beta10/Debian 8.12.0.Beta10) with ESMTP id fANJ1dic025723; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 20:01:40 +0100 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) id AAA19574 for list_warpvision-list; Sat, 24 Nov 2001 00:50:37 +0300 X-Authentication-Warning: mail.useic.ru: majordomo set sender to owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru using -f Received: from woodstock.localdomain (IDENT:root@dial-public-112.deltav.hu [213.163.1.112]) by mail.useic.ru (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA19571 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2001 00:50:15 +0300 Received: from gabucino by woodstock.localdomain with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 167LP9-0006oH-00 for list_warpvision@list.os2.ru; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 19:50:27 +0100 Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 19:50:27 +0100 From: Gabucino To: list_warpvision@list.os2.ru Subject: Re: Re: WarpVision 0.0.12 release Message-ID: <20011123195027.A26166@woodstock.localdomain> Mail-Followup-To: list_warpvision@list.os2.ru References: <200111231359.PAA13974@thot.banki.hu> <200111231439.QAA30780@thot.banki.hu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="tThc/1wpZn/ma/RB" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200111231439.QAA30780@thot.banki.hu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i X-Operating-System: Linux woodstock.localdomain 2.4.9 Sender: owner-list_warpvision@mail.amc.ru Precedence: bulk Status: RO Content-Length: 3273 Lines: 98 --tThc/1wpZn/ma/RB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > why do you say "i'm not ported mplayer. this is new..." ? > even wvision.cpp is the same as our mplayer.c, with few blocks commented > out. i don't understand why didn't you make vo_dive and ao_dart, instead = of > messing more with globals.. but it's your stuff, i don't care. fame.. Pls no more "warpvision isn't mplayer", ok? RTFS.. > btw your statements on the homepage are bad! > there is no mmx2/3dnow/sse code enabled in warpvision!!! > it only have mmx support. It seems they really don't know what did they "borrow" :) Or just boasting.. > Authors & copyrights. = =20 > --------------------- = =20 > = =20 > OS/2 general programming & adaptation = =20 > Alex Strelnikov = =20 > libDART and libDIVE os/2 audio/video libraries = =20 > Andrew Zabolotny, = =20 > Multimedia Encoder and Streaming Server = =20 > Gerard Lantau, = =20 > homepage: http://ffmpeg.sourceforge.net/ = =20 > MPlayer - the movie player for linux = =20 > Arpad Gereoffy (A'rpi/ESP-team), = =20 > homepage: http://www.MPlayerHQ.hu/homepage/ = =20 Heh. This is no way a proper copyright message. It means "yes be borrowed some code, but 90% is ours." Be very exact! Multimedia Encoding and Streaming Server ? You don't even mention that the DivX playing in warpvision (which is actual= ly all that it's about!) is actually from ffmpeg too !!! This is still about i-want-to-be-famous-by-stealing-and-denying-it. And what about removing ASF, VIV, MOV, DVD, and other demuxers, keeping only AVI ? You keep OS/2 users from viewing ASF DivXes ? Why ? As many suggested : make MPlayer compilable on OS/2 instead ! OS/2 users would profit. (yes you won't. you would have to respect copyrights then.) Thanks for denying cooperation. --=20 Gabucino when? where? nowhere. never. (arpi) --tThc/1wpZn/ma/RB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7/ppzAq6GhkS0XDcRAnjhAJ909RZHDpCrcL+bZgRetGewwCtjXACfRtSw 1eW3bXZNpI8NaIdmDJiycLQ= =aOhG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --tThc/1wpZn/ma/RB-- ----------------------------------------------- WarpVision project mailing list http://OS2.Ru/projects/video/warpvision.phtml.en ----------------------------------------------- To post a message or reply, send it to: list_warpvision@list.os2.ru To unsubscribe from this list, send the following message ................................. to: majordomo@list.os2.ru body: unsubscribe list_warpvision From gabucino@woodstock.localdomain Fri Nov 23 19:50:27 2001 Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 19:50:27 +0100 From: Gabucino To: list_warpvision@list.os2.ru Subject: Re: Re: WarpVision 0.0.12 release Message-ID: <20011123195027.A26166@woodstock.localdomain> Mail-Followup-To: list_warpvision@list.os2.ru References: <200111231359.PAA13974@thot.banki.hu> <200111231439.QAA30780@thot.banki.hu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="tThc/1wpZn/ma/RB" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200111231439.QAA30780@thot.banki.hu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i X-Operating-System: Linux woodstock.localdomain 2.4.9 Status: RO Content-Length: 2875 Lines: 89 --tThc/1wpZn/ma/RB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > why do you say "i'm not ported mplayer. this is new..." ? > even wvision.cpp is the same as our mplayer.c, with few blocks commented > out. i don't understand why didn't you make vo_dive and ao_dart, instead = of > messing more with globals.. but it's your stuff, i don't care. fame.. Pls no more "warpvision isn't mplayer", ok? RTFS.. > btw your statements on the homepage are bad! > there is no mmx2/3dnow/sse code enabled in warpvision!!! > it only have mmx support. It seems they really don't know what did they "borrow" :) Or just boasting.. > Authors & copyrights. = =20 > --------------------- = =20 > = =20 > OS/2 general programming & adaptation = =20 > Alex Strelnikov = =20 > libDART and libDIVE os/2 audio/video libraries = =20 > Andrew Zabolotny, = =20 > Multimedia Encoder and Streaming Server = =20 > Gerard Lantau, = =20 > homepage: http://ffmpeg.sourceforge.net/ = =20 > MPlayer - the movie player for linux = =20 > Arpad Gereoffy (A'rpi/ESP-team), = =20 > homepage: http://www.MPlayerHQ.hu/homepage/ = =20 Heh. This is no way a proper copyright message. It means "yes be borrowed some code, but 90% is ours." Be very exact! Multimedia Encoding and Streaming Server ? You don't even mention that the DivX playing in warpvision (which is actual= ly all that it's about!) is actually from ffmpeg too !!! This is still about i-want-to-be-famous-by-stealing-and-denying-it. And what about removing ASF, VIV, MOV, DVD, and other demuxers, keeping only AVI ? You keep OS/2 users from viewing ASF DivXes ? Why ? As many suggested : make MPlayer compilable on OS/2 instead ! OS/2 users would profit. (yes you won't. you would have to respect copyrights then.) Thanks for denying cooperation. --=20 Gabucino when? where? nowhere. never. (arpi) --tThc/1wpZn/ma/RB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7/ppzAq6GhkS0XDcRAnjhAJ909RZHDpCrcL+bZgRetGewwCtjXACfRtSw 1eW3bXZNpI8NaIdmDJiycLQ= =aOhG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --tThc/1wpZn/ma/RB--